Flames Development Camp July 10th - 16th

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Hockey_Ninja

I would love to see a high profile forward Flames prospect on Team Canada. I think it would be better for Monahan to go back to junior for a year.

Perfect scenario is Monahan fitting in nicely with the Flames as a top 3 C and a line of Klimchuck-Jankowski-Poirier is lighting it up for Team Canada at the WJHC.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by frinkprof

With Sieloff though, given the personnel already with the big club on defense, there's not much room for him and if you give him more than 9 games, you can't send him back to Junior and he's in the pro system to stay, plus you burn a year on his Entry Level Contract. Still a lot for Sieloff to gain by staying with his junior club..

If Seiloff goes past nine games it burns the first year of his entry-level deal but he can still be returned to junior at any time.

Seiloff looked great at prospect camp but agreed, he still has a lot to learn at the junior level.

[TheGrimm]

If Ottawa doesn't plan on moving Monahan to a contender, we might as well keep him in Calgary, he can lose here.

[Enoch Root]

I see no value in keeping Manahan here whatsoever - the Flames are going to struggle and, as a 19 year old, he isn't going to change that.

Also, while he may be more physically developed than some trying to make the jump, what he hasn't had yet is the chance to dominate offensively in the CHL.

I would like to see him play on a quality team (Ottawa would trade him for sure) where he can really excel and get PP ice-time, etc. Not to mention the WJCs.

Playing limited minutes, limited situations, and with limited success, while being a physical target of the other team, is not the way to develop a kid, IMO.

I have seen so many young guys' development get slowed or derailed by playing in the NHL too soon. There is simply no upside to it, but there is plenty of potential downside.

Let him go get 150+ pts, play in the WJCs, play in the playoffs (hopefully the Memorial Cup), and THEN join the Flames.

Him and Gaudreau, hitting the NHL together next year would be awesome!

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by TheGrimm

If Ottawa doesn't plan on moving Monahan to a contender, we might as well keep him in Calgary, he can lose here.

No reason why they wouldn't - you said it yourself...

If they won't move him, the Flames are likely to keep him.

For Ottawa, the best thing is to trade him to a contender and get a bunch of assets for him. Better that than getting nothing.

[frinkprof]

Yeah, I misspoke. I know you can technically send him back down to junior. Just saying that after 9 games and you get into that contact year, that practically he will stay with the big team or go to the AHL. I suppose you could send him to the World Juniors.

Basically what I'm saying is if there's any inkling that you will want to send any junior-eligible player down, you should do it before that 10th game.

EDIT: Regarding sending Sieloff back to junior.

[Igster]

The differing opinions on Monahan are awesome. Can't wait to see how it turns out in the fall.

[kyuss275]

If Monahan is sent back to Ottawa and the flames ask them to trade him, do they automaticaly have to?

I get that Ottawa should want to get some assets for him, but what happens if they rather have Monahan on the team?

I agree with the poster that said that he might as well stick with the flames rather than play for Ottawa in JR's.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

If Monahan is sent back to Ottawa and the flames ask them to trade him, do they automaticaly have to?

Nope.

[FlamesAddiction]

They don't have to, but I believe that junior teams get financially compensated from NHL teams when players are drafted, at least that is what I heard, so someone correct me if I am wrong.

Because if that is true, they would have reasons to build relationships with NHL teams.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

If Monahan is sent back to Ottawa and the flames ask them to trade him, do they automaticaly have to?

I get that Ottawa should want to get some assets for him, but what happens if they rather have Monahan on the team?

I agree with the poster that said that he might as well stick with the flames rather than play for Ottawa in JR's.

No, they would have every right to keep him, and can manage their team as they please.

But again, if they take that stance, the Flames are likely to just keep him and the 67s are left with nothing.

[Canada 02]

Lindholm signed yesterday for $1.775M; $925K salary, including $92,500 signing bonus and $850K in performance bonuses.

That pretty much caps Monahan's ELC

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

No, they would have every right to keep him, and can manage their team as they please.

But again, if they take that stance, the Flames are likely to just keep him and the 67s are left with nothing.

The bolded part leaves me a bit puzzled on why Ottawa did not trade him this year?

From most things i read, Monahan was projected to go in the top 7 and most things i read said that because of his size and age that he would have a legit shot at the NHL this season. Ottawa knew this, i believe their coach even said the same. So why did they not trade him last season for assets, knowing there was a good chance they would get nothing for him?

[Zevo]

Harrison could be that late round gem every team hopes to find. Love his character and attitude and at 6' 3" with an obvious edge to his game, could be one of those intangibles that good teams need. From the herald.

Nor does he apologize. "Obviously, some of the guys probably want my head at this point," Harrison says brightly. "I know I get under some guys' skin a bit, but I'm just trying to play my game. I'm a big guy, so I might as well use my body, use my speed, go to the net hard. If that gets on some guys' nerves ... then so be it. But I wouldn't say I try to wear that reputation.

"When it's drills and practice and I have to be a skill guy? You don't really see all my attributes."

"I'm expecting to hit guys," he says. "If they fall down, so be it. If they come after me? I'm doing my job ... they're going to get penalties, they're going to get riled up."

Later in the session, in a slashing exchange, Harrison's stick rode high and notched Kanzig's jaw. ("I actually didn't mean to do that, believe it or not.") All the way up the ice, Kanzig followed Harrison, begging him to turn around so he could drum him.

"He asked me if I wanted to go, and I said, 'No, I'm all set,' " he says, chuckling. "He's a big boy. I'll respect his size.

http://www.calgaryherald.com/sports/...997/story.html

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by Bend it like Bourgeois

I'm scared of Monahan turning pro already. He was a 6th overall pick, not a 1st, an was not a dominant scorer in junior.

Monahan was a dominant scorer for his team. His team was horrible. If he had been on a good team it's likely his numbers would've been much, much higher.

[GreenLantern]

Good point FDW, and also on Harrison, I think it is about time the Flames had a player like that.

I can't wait for the first shift of Harrison and Cundari vs. Burrows and Kesler.

[Enoch Root]

Fun Fact:

There were 4 guys at this camp who have played in 2 WJCs: Baertschi, Granlund, Horak and Ramage

There were 2 guys that will (likely) play in their 2nd this year: Gillies, Sieloff

There were 3 guys that have played in one: Wotherspoon, Arnold and Gaudreau (should have been in 2)

There are 3 guys invited to camp this year: Monahan, Poirier, Jankowski

And Klimchuk has a good shot at being invited next year (1st line on U18s this year), as does Rafikov, though he wasn't at the camp. Not to mention who we draft next summer.

[djsFlames]

Yeah sorry, but no combination of Bouma, Hanowski and Reinharts will draw fans to games and TV like the #6 overall pick will. He's expected to become a core guy for the team post rebuild, and they'll want to showcase him, since they went with the "NHL ready" choice. Many of the fans who don't pay much attention to development camps like we might, will at least be able to recognize the high profile nature of a guy like Sean. I'm just saying, it won't hurt to start him now if they do. He's old for his draft year, won't have a favorable situation in the OHL (or differing one), and was far more dominant and ready looking this week than some of the guys who already got looks on the big team. And if Johnny was ready to leave college now, I'd put him on the team too. On the condition that he works hard in the gym all summer to fill out at much as he can. Why? Cause Monahan and Gaudreau were the best looking of all our kids (outside of Baertsch). So if support role guys like Reinhart or Horak are ready, then there's no way our two top dogs aren't. They may not be ready for top 6 roles, probably not for at least a year. But they'd do fine in the bottom 6. But then I am glad that Johnny is going to add some size over another year. It'll be a safer bet next time. But it most certainly won't be a 'waste' of an ELC year if Monahan makes it. And he can always join team Canada, whether on the Flames or 67s. I highly doubt management would deny him that opportunity.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

Yeah sorry, but no combination of Bouma, Hanowski and Reinharts will draw fans to games and TV like the #6 overall pick will. He's expected to become a core guy for the team post rebuild, and they'll want to showcase him, since they went with the "NHL ready" choice. .

They Flames shouldn't develop a player because they want to sell tickets this year, and I highly doubt they are. Someone else can easily dig this up cause I can't right away here but the Flames didn't go for an "NHL ready" choice, that quote by Feaster was just wrong. He qualified it after. Fans will show up through hard times if they know the team is trying to turn things around.

I'm more excited about the team this year, sans Monahan in the line up, then I've been in years.. and I realize it will be a tough one. I know Baertschi isn't the new bright toy anymore but he's only played 25 games and will be a young player a lot of general fans cling onto next year, especially if he pots some fun goals early on. If guys like him and Granlund score some exciting goals and guys like Reinhart, Buoma, Hanowski go out and battle hard people will show up.

[Vulcan]

Anyone know what Baertschi's injury was? Why he missed the rest of the scrimmage?