[News] Johnson: Flames fans patiently wait for Gaudreau

[Stay Golden]

Originally Posted by Stay Golden

I hope the Flames have a real strong certainty Johnny will sign with the Flames next year and if they don't then they should deal him since he is coveted by particular GM's.
Personally i do not like the way the CBA does not protect the drafted team with NCAA players.
The CBA should have written that any NCAA player drafted must sign a 3 year ELC just like any CHL or Euro league drafted player. Not the 2 year that NCAA players only require.
If any NCAA player is unwilling to sign with their drafted team upon leaving the NCAA they are suspended for 1 year and any team that picks them up must give up as compensation their 1st round pick.

This would eliminate any of this BS with NCAA players. Actually i would like to see that for all drafted players. They play for the drafted team unless their rights are traded away or they don't play and any team that is willing to scoop them will pay a hefty compensation to get them.
This of course is not the way it is and as for Johnny G i feel only 60% confident he will sign with the Flames in a year. A year ago i probably would have been 90% sure he signs a ELC with the Flames.

Originally Posted by opendoor

Whether a player comes from the CHL or the NCAA has no bearing on how long their ELC is. The only factor is the age when the player signs:

18-21: 3 years
22-23: 2 years
24: 1 year
25: no restriction

If Gaudreau signs next year when he's 21 he'll get a 3 year ELC just like any guy coming out of the CHL or from Europe who signs at that age.

As for the rest, good luck trying to negotiate total ownership of drafted players by teams.

Thanks for the clarification, so that is why some of the NCAA kids get 2 years because when they are leaving the NCAA they are usually 22-23.
And yes Teams should have more control over their drafted players, a draft pick is the teams investment some of these kids drafted simply do not respect that. The NHL should close this loophole but they won't.

[Freeway]

From what he told me last year, Gaudreau grew up as a Flyers fan.

[Coach]

Originally Posted by Stay Golden

The NHL should close this loophole but they won't.

I think this has probably been a talking point in every CBA negotiation ever. The NHLPA isn't going to simply allow the teams to have 100% control of their picks. Just not going to happen.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by MattyC

I think this has probably been a talking point in every CBA negotiation ever. The NHLPA isn't going to simply allow the teams to have 100% control of their picks. Just not going to happen.

I think the simple way to do it which should be reasonalbe for the players would be that a prospect can't turn down a rookie max deal. So if we offer a pick the rookie max then they can't sign with anyone else. This protects both the players and the teams. If the teams aren't willing to invest a max contract then the players can go elsewhere but if the team wants the player a rookie shouldn't be able to choose to go somewhere else or re-enter the draft.

As for JG there is no need to worry until he goes back for his senior year. If that happens I will be very concerned.

[Stay Golden]

Originally Posted by MattyC

I think this has probably been a talking point in every CBA negotiation ever. The NHLPA isn't going to simply allow the teams to have 100% control of their picks. Just not going to happen.

agree it likely will never happen which pretty much tells fans what the NHLPA is all about when it comes to drafted players. They really don't respect the reasoning of what the draft is intended to be for all teams.
It is a good thing that the majority of the kids value being drafted to whoever drafts them and if they don't like it they honor the ELC anyways and play it out until they are RFA's etc.
It is not like the old days where teams would bury a guy in the minors out of spite or personal reasons. If a team has a prospect nowadays that is an asset and they have no need for him then they trade him for value back.

As for Gaudreau i just hope this talented little dude returns his honor to the Flames drafting him by signing next year since the players say it is a honor and a privilege when they are drafted.

[Heavy Jack]

Originally Posted by Freeway

From what he told me last year, Gaudreau grew up as a Flyers fan.

Would makes sense since he said he patterns his game after Brier if I remember correctly. Was great to see him turn the puck back up ice on rushes, his skating is effortless.

[gargamel]

Originally Posted by fotze

Darren Haynes ‏@DarrenHaynes_CP22m
Re: Future, Gaudreau said "Hopefully they want me next year at the end of the year and hopefully I can come in and make an impact for them."


Hopfully BC doesn't make their post season. Whens the NCAA season over?

The regular season ends the last day of February, but Boston College is guaranteed a spot in the Hockey East tournament, which would end March 10 if they get swept in the first round, so that's the earliest possible date that Gaudreau would be available. The Hockey East tournament championship game is on March 22.

Of course, BC will likely make the NCAA tournament as well, which goes from March 28 until April 12. If BC makes it to the Frozen Four, the Flames season will be over before Boston College's season is.

[Heavy Jack]

Originally Posted by gargamel

The regular season ends the last day of February, but Boston College is guaranteed a spot in the Hockey East tournament, which would end March 10 if they get swept in the first round, so that's the earliest possible date that Gaudreau would be available. The Hockey East tournament championship game is on March 22.

Of course, BC will likely make the NCAA tournament as well, which goes from March 28 until April 12. If BC makes it to the Frozen Four, the Flames season will be over before Boston College's season is.

Hogwash, Gaudreau will be there to score the O.T. winner against Vancouver in the first round of the playoffs.

[Coach]

Originally Posted by Stay Golden

agree it likely will never happen which pretty much tells fans what the NHLPA is all about when it comes to drafted players. They really don't respect the reasoning of what the draft is intended to be for all teams.

Well at it's basis, the NHLPA is an organization to fight for player's rights. If it allowed something like this to go through it would be doing a disservice to its members.

Originally Posted by GGG

I think the simple way to do it which should be reasonalbe for the players would be that a prospect can't turn down a rookie max deal. So if we offer a pick the rookie max then they can't sign with anyone else. This protects both the players and the teams. If the teams aren't willing to invest a max contract then the players can go elsewhere but if the team wants the player a rookie shouldn't be able to choose to go somewhere else or re-enter the draft.

As for JG there is no need to worry until he goes back for his senior year. If that happens I will be very concerned.

I think this is a great idea.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Heavy Jack

Hogwash, Gaudreau will be there to score the O.T. winner against Vancouver in the first round of the playoffs.

Yeah, like Vancouver is going to make the playoffs

[gargamel]

Originally Posted by Freeway

From what he told me last year, Gaudreau grew up as a Flyers fan.

That would make sense since he grew up a half hour from Philly. It's also worth noting that the 2014 Frozen Four will be in Philadelphia, which may have been a factor in him returning to Boston College for his junior season. Going home to win the NCAA Championship and the Hobey Baker would be a great way to end his college career.

[Stay Golden]

The NHL/NHLPA provide Zero compensation for losing drafted players that refuse to sign with their drafted teams.
Unlike the NFL and MLB where they do receive compensation. Look to just the recent Bluejay situation with drafted Bickford.

http://www.tsn.ca/mlb/teams/story/?i...=mlb-blue_jays.

There is no reason the NHL and NHLPA can't agree to this for the NHL. Other than they are far far apart from being a partnership.

[Heavy Jack]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Yeah, like Vancouver is going to make the playoffs

So much win!

Didnt even think about how sad and funny that team is becoming lol

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by Stay Golden

The NHL/NHLPA provide Zero compensation for losing drafted players that refuse to sign with their drafted teams.
Unlike the NFL and MLB where they do receive compensation. Look to just the recent Bluejay situation with drafted Bickford.

http://www.tsn.ca/mlb/teams/story/?i...=mlb-blue_jays.

There is no reason the NHL and NHLPA can't agree to this for the NHL. Other than they are far far apart from being a partnership.

I believe there is some sort of compensatory pick in the new CBA.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

I believe there is some sort of compensatory pick in the new CBA.

If you don't sign a first round pick and subsequently lose his rights, you receive a compensatory second round pick in the same position of the round where the unsigned player was drafted (i.e. if you fail to sign a player chosen 15th overall, you'll be given the 45th overall pick in the next draft). There is no compensation if you don't sign anyone chosen past the first round.

That was in the previous CBA as well.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by gargamel

The regular season ends the last day of February, but Boston College is guaranteed a spot in the Hockey East tournament, which would end March 10 if they get swept in the first round, so that's the earliest possible date that Gaudreau would be available. The Hockey East tournament championship game is on March 22.

Of course, BC will likely make the NCAA tournament as well, which goes from March 28 until April 12. If BC makes it to the Frozen Four, the Flames season will be over before Boston College's season is.

But hopefully the Heat season will last longer than the Flames! Gaudreau could join the Heat for their playoffs if they make it.

[t0rrent98]

Just a thought... :P. To make sure Gaudreau signs and plays for the Flames in the Future they should draft his little brother..haha

[ricardodw]

Will the Flames be the best team for him to break in with?

Baertschi basically lost a year because he was in the Flames organization and there were small players already on the roster that were locked into NHL contracts Hudler, Cammalleri, Cervenka,Tanguay (I know he is average sized but plays really small) along with Brodie, Butler and Smith as small d-men.

This year the Flames have made room for Baertschi by getting rid of Tanguay and Cervenka. Next year .... when it is Gaudreau's time to sign there still will be Baertschi and Hudler.


There is no NHL team that has 3 guys in their top 6 that are 5-9/ 5-10 160-180

Cammalleri wants out... of course he does..... and gets it at the the end of this season at the latest. He understands that he has virtually no chance for personal or team success with him, Hudler and Baertschi in the top 6.

Even the tiny Oilers that are dramatically under performing due to lack of size/grit are not as small as the Flames tiny 3.

This time next year Gaudreau will have a choice to either to try out for Cammalleri's spot and likely getting the Baertschi treatment with 4th line time and AHL OR he can play for one more season at BU and pick the best team that gets him in the NHL.

The Flames made a choice and they got Hudler signed long term and now have no room for another small player.

[handgroen]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

Will the Flames be the best team for him to break in with?

Baertschi basically lost a year because he was in the Flames organization and there were small players already on the roster that were locked into NHL contracts Hudler, Cammalleri, Cervenka,Tanguay (I know he is average sized but plays really small) along with Brodie, Butler and Smith as small d-men.

This year the Flames have made room for Baertschi by getting rid of Tanguay and Cervenka. Next year .... when it is Gaudreau's time to sign there still will be Baertschi and Hudler.


There is no NHL team that has 3 guys in their top 6 that are 5-9/ 5-10 160-180

Cammalleri wants out... of course he does..... and gets it at the the end of this season at the latest. He understands that he has virtually no chance for personal or team success with him, Hudler and Baertschi in the top 6.

Even the tiny Oilers that are dramatically under performing due to lack of size/grit are not as small as the Flames tiny 3.

This time next year Gaudreau will have a choice to either to try out for Cammalleri's spot and likely getting the Baertschi treatment with 4th line time and AHL OR he can play for one more season at BU and pick the best team that gets him in the NHL.

The Flames made a choice and they got Hudler signed long term and now have no room for another small player.

quiet you!

[$ven27]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

Will the Flames be the best team for him to break in with?

Baertschi basically lost a year because he was in the Flames organization and there were small players already on the roster that were locked into NHL contracts Hudler, Cammalleri, Cervenka,Tanguay (I know he is average sized but plays really small) along with Brodie, Butler and Smith as small d-men.

This year the Flames have made room for Baertschi by getting rid of Tanguay and Cervenka. Next year .... when it is Gaudreau's time to sign there still will be Baertschi and Hudler.


There is no NHL team that has 3 guys in their top 6 that are 5-9/ 5-10 160-180

Cammalleri wants out... of course he does..... and gets it at the the end of this season at the latest. He understands that he has virtually no chance for personal or team success with him, Hudler and Baertschi in the top 6.

Even the tiny Oilers that are dramatically under performing due to lack of size/grit are not as small as the Flames tiny 3.

This time next year Gaudreau will have a choice to either to try out for Cammalleri's spot and likely getting the Baertschi treatment with 4th line time and AHL OR he can play for one more season at BU and pick the best team that gets him in the NHL.

The Flames made a choice and they got Hudler signed long term and now have no room for another small player.

Could you go one post without whining about height of players?