07-12-2013, 10:24 AM
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#21
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Thunder Bay Ontario
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Bergeron may be all heart, but he's part glass jaw too. At least his cap hit won't count while he's on LTIR
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07-12-2013, 10:25 AM
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#22
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#1 Goaltender
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Perth Australia
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Money wise is good but why an 8 year contract?
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07-12-2013, 10:26 AM
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#23
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First Line Centre
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Originally Posted by WilderPegasus
Free of injury? Who? Bergeron? The guy who had a punctured lung in the finals and missed the end of the season with a concussion?
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I think Chiarelli said the lung puncture occurred after game 6. Otherwise, he wouldn't have been able to breathe well enough to play. Point still stands, though.
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07-12-2013, 10:32 AM
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#24
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#1 Goaltender
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Why are people shocked to see an eight year term? No way he signs for 4 or 6 years unless you're ready to pay him 10 million a year especially after the team traded away their 21 year old future franchise center. If he gets injured then oh well, put him on LTIR and insurance will pay him and you get the cap space back.
Centres know what their worth these days and their going to get max term and a high cap hit whether its with their team or in free agency.
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07-12-2013, 10:36 AM
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#25
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: City by the Bay
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Originally Posted by Nsd1
Why are people shocked to see an eight year term? No way he signs for 4 or 6 years unless you're ready to pay him 10 million a year especially after the team traded away their 21 year old future franchise center. If he gets injured then oh well, put him on LTIR and insurance will pay him and you get the cap space back.
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Don't disagree with your post, just questioning whether insurance would cover the contract. I know from previous reading about previous long term contracts (and not just the super long ones), insurers have a limit to how long of a contract they'll insure. For some reason, I want to say 6 years.
Regardless, if ownership doesn't care, then I would be spending like that too (and shuffling players onto LTIR if they get hurt).
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07-12-2013, 10:47 AM
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#26
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First Line Centre
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Too expensive. Yes hes a great 2 way player but for 6.5MM you need to be a PPG player IMO. Bergeron is a #2 high end center.
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07-12-2013, 10:54 AM
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#27
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Needs More Cowbell
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Not Canada, Eh?
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Now the Bruins REALLY have to unload some salary.
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07-12-2013, 10:58 AM
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#1 Goaltender
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Originally Posted by Clever_Iggy
Don't disagree with your post, just questioning whether insurance would cover the contract. I know from previous reading about previous long term contracts (and not just the super long ones), insurers have a limit to how long of a contract they'll insure. For some reason, I want to say 6 years.
Regardless, if ownership doesn't care, then I would be spending like that too (and shuffling players onto LTIR if they get hurt).
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Looks like its 7 years but I wonder how willing insurers would be to pay out for seven years to a guy like Bergeron who's had 4 concussions already. I remember reading that insurance had to pay Crosby 9 million when he was out and at that time people were saying insurance companies might pull coverage for players with concussion histories.
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07-12-2013, 11:07 AM
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#30
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Lifetime Suspension
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I've read different opinions and statements about this from various members here - does anyone know definitely what happens with Savard's contract?
I assume it comes off the cap hit once he is placed on LTIR closer to the start of the season. Is there a date or deadline for teams to be cap compliant? Will the Bruins have to shuffle people off the roster to accommodate Savard's salary because of this? Or can they keep them on the roster until LTIR kicks in?
Also, does anyone know enough about the specifics about why you would keep a player on LTIR instead of them retiring? My guess is that there is insurance ramifications to a player who is retired, and I guess that if they retire it would reduce or eliminate any insurance benefits they are being paid.
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07-12-2013, 11:19 AM
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#31
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Lifetime Suspension
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Term is 3 years too long, Bergeron won't last till he's 36
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07-12-2013, 11:37 AM
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#32
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Franchise Player
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Chris Johnston @reporterchris 29m
The breakdown of Patrice Bergeron's extension with the #bruins: $7.5M, $8.25M, $8.25M, $8M, $6.5M, $5M, $4.25M and $4.25M.
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Originally Posted by TurnedTheCorner
I've read different opinions and statements about this from various members here - does anyone know definitely what happens with Savard's contract?
I assume it comes off the cap hit once he is placed on LTIR closer to the start of the season. Is there a date or deadline for teams to be cap compliant? Will the Bruins have to shuffle people off the roster to accommodate Savard's salary because of this? Or can they keep them on the roster until LTIR kicks in?
Also, does anyone know enough about the specifics about why you would keep a player on LTIR instead of them retiring? My guess is that there is insurance ramifications to a player who is retired, and I guess that if they retire it would reduce or eliminate any insurance benefits they are being paid.
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As per Capgeek going from bottom to top:
CapGeek @capgeek 11 Jul
Option 2 extremely unlikely because it requires spending to $68.3M and leaves little flexibility in season for injury call-ups, etc.
CapGeek @capgeek 11 Jul
Option 1 seems more likely and can be accomplished via creative recalls/demotions on opening day.
CapGeek @capgeek 11 Jul
2) Add cap payroll to max of $68.3M, then place Savard on LTIR on final day of camp. Can continue spending up to $68.3M during the season.
CapGeek @capgeek 11 Jul
1) Build roster with $64.3M cap payroll on opening day, then place Savard on LTIR on Day 1. Gives them up to ~$68.3M during the season.
CapGeek @capgeek 11 Jul
Just to recap on the #NHL #Bruins, it appears they have two cap options, neither which involves shedding salary.
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07-12-2013, 12:50 PM
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#33
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Our Jessica Fletcher
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Originally Posted by OutOfTheCube
Geez, 6.5 mil for a60 point guy good at winning face offs.
In a couple years this could be Bobby holik 2.0
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Silly post.
Bergeron is a fantastic player, has heart, and is clutch in big games. The only thing concerning about this contract is the term, considering Bergeron's injury history.
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07-12-2013, 12:53 PM
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#34
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Income Tax Central
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Originally Posted by Clever_Iggy
Don't disagree with your post, just questioning whether insurance would cover the contract. I know from previous reading about previous long term contracts (and not just the super long ones), insurers have a limit to how long of a contract they'll insure. For some reason, I want to say 6 years.
Regardless, if ownership doesn't care, then I would be spending like that too (and shuffling players onto LTIR if they get hurt).
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I thought I recall something along the lines of; insurance will only cover 5 years max of any contract.
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07-13-2013, 03:52 PM
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#35
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Scoring Winger
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Love this guy... Wish we had a similar player in Calgary.. I'm hoping Monahan will develop into a guy like Bergeron.
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07-13-2013, 06:02 PM
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#36
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Fort St. John, BC
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He's a step above Kesler and a step below Toews. Fair value.
(Yes I know Toews makes the same amount but he signed his deal a few years ago)
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07-13-2013, 07:43 PM
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#37
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#1 Goaltender
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Calgary
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I don't think this is a big deal. In eight years, the cap will likely be at $85-$90 million, maybe more. But this is what is now expected by players so if a GM thinks he can limit contracts to 5 or 6 years for homegrown talent, he'll only end up burning bridges.
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07-14-2013, 10:24 AM
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#38
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Franchise Player
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considering the cap going up I don't think the AAV is an issue, the length for someone with his injury history would scare me a bit as others said
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