[Signing] Burmistrov signs with Akbars of KHL

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

Team screwed him around and unlike other players he has options so he left. Everyone will growl and blame the player but he's not under contract to Winnipeg so if he wants to leave, he should.

Not too much different than the time Giordano went to Russia really.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by dammage79

This isn't a Russian factor issue, it's an asset management issue by the Jets. I do not blame the kid one bit for going home. Especially if the jets were too stubborn to move him or were asking far too much in trade.

Ok, but if the kid were anything other than Russian, this wouldn't have happened.

Look at Cam Fowler, who was drafted shortly after Burmistrov... things haven't gone well since his rookie season and there is talk of trade. But it's a pretty safe bet he won't be running off to the KHL any time soon.

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Ok, but if the kid were anything other than Russian, this wouldn't have happened.

Giordano says "What?"

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Ok, but if the kid were anything other than Russian, this wouldn't have happened.

Look at Cam Fowler, who was drafted shortly after Burmistrov... things haven't gone well since his rookie season and there is talk of trade. But it's a pretty safe bet he won't be running off to the KHL any time soon.

This is the first I've heard of Fowlers issues with the Ducks. Two things separate Fowler from Burmistrov, the first being the 5 year 20 million dollar contract Fowler now has whereas Burmistrov didn't have a contract. Second thing, Fowler wasn't nearly as mistreated or misused by the Ducks.

I am guessing the Burmistrov comes back to the NHL after his two year stint at home. Guaranteed it won't be with the Jets though.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Parallex

Giordano says "What?"

Granted, going to Russia for a year helped Giordano.

But are you arguing that his example eliminates the existence of the Russian factor?

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by dammage79

This is the first I've heard of Fowlers issues with the Ducks. Two things separate Fowler from Burmistrov, the first being the 5 year 20 million dollar contract Fowler now has whereas Burmistrov didn't have a contract. Second thing, Fowler wasn't nearly as mistreated or misused by the Ducks.

I am guessing the Burmistrov comes back to the NHL after his two year stint at home. Guaranteed it won't be with the Jets though.

Of course they are not the same. My only point was that this happens with Russians (Giordano notwithstanding), regardless of whose fault it is.

We'll see if he comes back, I guess.

Wouldn't Winnipeg retain his rights though? (not sure, just asking)

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Of course they are not the same. My only point was that this happens with Russians (Giordano notwithstanding), regardless of whose fault it is.

We'll see if he comes back, I guess.

Wouldn't Winnipeg retain his rights though? (not sure, just asking)

Not sure Either. But it would be incredibly stupid of the Jets to retain his rights if eh does come back with them knowing full he won't sign with them again.

[Pointman]

With czech team already in the KHL and finnish team set to join KHL from 2014/15, such things will happen to czech and finnish players more often. The reason why it happens mostly with russians now is because they are going home while for others KHL is just another league overseas.

According to this interview (in russian) with Ak Bars coach one year ago, Burmistrov was training with Ak Bars in the offseason. Their coach openly says that Burmistrov wants back, but still has a year on his NHL contract and that Ak Bars will try to get Burmistrov next summer (i.e. summer '13). Why on earth Jets didn't trade Burmistrov when it was public knowledge that he wants back home? They wouldn't get much for him, obviously, but they could get at least something. Probably they expected him to break out with Jets and change his mind.

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by Parallex

Giordano says "What?"

Giordano going to play in Russia for 1 year because there wasn't a spot for him on the Flames roster is slightly different than Burmistrov signing a 2 year contract with the KHL because he doesn't like the spot he has on the Jets.

Its not like he is being buried in the minors, he just doesn't like his current role on the team. That would be more like Giordano going to Russia after making the team but being upset he is in the bottom pairing.

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Of course they are not the same. My only point was that this happens with Russians (Giordano notwithstanding), regardless of whose fault it is.

We'll see if he comes back, I guess.

Wouldn't Winnipeg retain his rights though? (not sure, just asking)

He is an RFA so I think the Jets get to keep his rights until he turns 26 or 27? As long as they sent him a qualifying offer.

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

But are you arguing that his example eliminates the existence of the Russian factor?

No, I'm arguing that what you said about this not happening if the player were anything other then Russian isn't accurate because it has happened before and a Russian was not involved. Burmistrov is a good player, he's just been drastically misused, undervalued, and misdeveloped by Atlanta/Winnipeg.

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by Wolven

Giordano going to play in Russia for 1 year because there wasn't a spot for him on the Flames roster is slightly different than Burmistrov signing a 2 year contract with the KHL because he doesn't like the spot he has on the Jets.

Only slightly and IMO it's not meaningfully different. Giordano didn't like where he was on the Flames depth chart so he left for Russia, Burmistrov didn't like where he was on the Jets depth chart so he left for Russia.

Fundimentally there is no difference except that Burmistrov doesn't take up an import slot.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Wolven

Giordano going to play in Russia for 1 year because there wasn't a spot for him on the Flames roster is slightly different than Burmistrov signing a 2 year contract with the KHL because he doesn't like the spot he has on the Jets.

Its not like he is being buried in the minors, he just doesn't like his current role on the team. That would be more like Giordano going to Russia after making the team but being upset he is in the bottom pairing.



He is an RFA so I think the Jets get to keep his rights until he turns 26 or 27? As long as they sent him a qualifying offer.

It wasn't that there wasn't a spot for him on the Flames. Based on the number of games he had played, Sutter offered him a 2-way deal (as was his right as Giordano was only not 100% proven). Giordano was able to make more money in Russia than if he were to be sent to the AHL (which may not have happened anyway since I think he was still waiver eligible), so he went to the KHL.

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by Wolven

He is an RFA so I think the Jets get to keep his rights until he turns 26 or 27? As long as they sent him a qualifying offer.

27. He broke into the league at 19 which would have entitled him to hit free agency at 26 via 7 years service time but leaving for two years will interrupt the clock and push him back to 27.

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

It wasn't that there wasn't a spot for him on the Flames. Based on the number of games he had played, Sutter offered him a 2-way deal (as was his right as Giordano was only not 100% proven). Giordano was able to make more money in Russia than if he were to be sent to the AHL (which may not have happened anyway since I think he was still waiver eligible), so he went to the KHL.

Right, I forgot about that. The 2-way contract was the main issue.

Originally Posted by Parallex

Only slightly and IMO it's not meaningfully different. Giordano didn't like where he was on the Flames depth chart so he left for Russia, Burmistrov didn't like where he was on the Jets depth chart so he left for Russia.

Fundimentally there is no difference except that Burmistrov doesn't take up an import slot.

I think there is a pretty big difference between Burmistrov being upset at being on the 4th line versus Giordano being upset at basically being slotted to play in the AHL for AHL dollars.

Also, I think there is a pretty significant difference in the message a player sends out when signing a 2 year KHL contract instead of 1 year.

[Coach]

Any word on dollars (rubles)?

[Meers]

Yes, there are some great Russian players in the NHL. But, the flight risk is high.

So drafting Russians is gambling.

Heck, you might even call it "Russian Roulette".

[LightsOut]

Burmistrov did what so many others will eventually do, leave Winnipeg by any means necessary. The Jets know they will have a real problem keeping their players content going forward but I suppose they already knew that going into this. Bottom line, Winnipeg is just a crappy place to live.

[Dx54]

Is Winnipeg that much more worse than places in Russia though?

[T@T]

Originally Posted by Dx54

Is Winnipeg that much more worse than places in Russia though?

Most definitely!

When the nicest looking architecture in city is a hockey rink you know you have problems...and don't get me started on the differences between the women.

[Jets4Life]

Originally Posted by LightsOut

Burmistrov did what so many others will eventually do, leave Winnipeg by any means necessary. The Jets know they will have a real problem keeping their players content going forward but I suppose they already knew that going into this. Bottom line, Winnipeg is just a crappy place to live.

Can you elaborate on "crappy place to live?"