Flames Development Camp July 10th - 16th

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by Delthefunky

This might be a dumb question, but at a certain point, couldn't they just talk to him? If they have a good read on his character, isn't there some value in him saying "yeah, I intend to sign here".

I'm hoping management has some clue to whether or not he wants to sign here. I really hope he does.

They have talked to him. It has been reported that Feaster already tried to get him signed this off season. Probably a little harder to get a good read on him right now because more than likely he and his dad are saying all the right things knowing that he is staying in school, with little reason to "stir the pot" at this stage.

Johnny Hockey could be 2 years away and a lot can change in that time. All it takes is for him to fall in love and have that girl whisper in his ear " wouldn't it be great if we could just stay in Boston?". Johnny is not naive, and he knows that almost every NHL team would want him if he was available for free after NCAA. Considering most of CP knows that Boston has a slight hardon for him, not hard to imagine that Johnny knows it as well.


This is not to do with your post, but another post said they would feel better if he attended development camp this year. Not sure why that would make a difference? If he attends development camp its probably to see where he stacks up against others around his age and shows not only Calgary that he is serious about the NHL, but all clubs. If he wants to attend a development camp, this is the only one he can attend.

[Super-Rye]

I'll be heading down for a day or 2 I think. I'm far to hockey starved and am pretty excited to see where some of these kids are in their development.

Linden Penner is a monster for being only 18. 6'3" 220? Holy.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by Delthefunky

This might be a dumb question, but at a certain point, couldn't they just talk to him? If they have a good read on his character, isn't there some value in him saying "yeah, I intend to sign here".

I'm hoping management has some clue to whether or not he wants to sign here. I really hope he does.

According to the Ducks, Justin Schultz was going to sign with them up until when he decided to turn pro and changed his mind.
I'm not saying that this has anything to do with Gaudreau though. I think the only thing the Flames can do is stay in touch and offer him whatever they can to influence his plans.

[MisterJoji]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

They have talked to him. It has been reported that Feaster already tried to get him signed this off season. Probably a little harder to get a good read on him right now because more than likely he and his dad are saying all the right things knowing that he is staying in school, with little reason to "stir the pot" at this stage.

Johnny Hockey could be 2 years away and a lot can change in that time. All it takes is for him to fall in love and have that girl whisper in his ear " wouldn't it be great if we could just stay in Boston?". Johnny is not naive, and he knows that almost every NHL team would want him if he was available for free after NCAA. Considering most of CP knows that Boston has a slight hardon for him, not hard to imagine that Johnny knows it as well.


This is not to do with your post, but another post said they would feel better if he attended development camp this year. Not sure why that would make a difference? If he attends development camp its probably to see where he stacks up against others around his age and shows not only Calgary that he is serious about the NHL, but all clubs. If he wants to attend a development camp, this is the only one he can attend.

This is something I'm amazed didn't get a overhaul in the new CBA. I know that history shows NCAA players rarely screw over the teams that drafted them (*cough ... Shultz), but it does make drafting college bound players a bit of a risk. If you're right and Gaudreau would rather stay in Boston, all he has to do is wait a few extra weeks after graduating to sign with the Bruins and Calgary gets screwed. Why have they not added an extra year of holding NCAA players rights? They can still earn a degree by staying in college all 4 years, and then the team that drafted them still has 1 full year to try and come to terms with them. Lets just hope Gaudreau, Jankowski and Gillies are D-bags.

[Hyde]

So can people go and watch on the 10th? I have the day off and was thinking to stop by.

[PeteMoss]

Tin foil hat club meeting here.

[devo22]

I sincerely want to thank Tom Erixon, without whom those "nice" discussions and doubts among us Flames fans wouldn't be possible.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

Tin foil hat club meeting here.

Or is it the Chicken Little Society?

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by MisterJoji

but it does make drafting college bound players a bit of a risk.

Gah, no it doesn't. It doesn't at all... a team controls the rights to a NCAA bound player twice as long as they actually control the rights to a CHL player and exactly as long as a CHL players rights can be held by any NHL team.

There is no more risk then there is drafting any other player from any other stream.

Gawd, the nervious nellieing and chicken littling has gotten insane.

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by Delthefunky

This might be a dumb question, but at a certain point, couldn't they just talk to him? If they have a good read on his character, isn't there some value in him saying "yeah, I intend to sign here".

There is zero value to publically commenting on anything thou... the NCAA is really really strict about interactions between student athletes and the professional athletics industry. Why say something when it can do nothing but harm? So that a few paranoid fans feel less paranoid?

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by Parallex

Gah, no it doesn't. It doesn't at all... a team controls the rights to a NCAA bound player twice as long as they actually control the rights to a CHL player and exactly as long as a CHL players rights can be held by any NHL team.

There is no more risk then there is drafting any other player from any other stream.

Gawd, the nervious nellieing and chicken littling has gotten insane.

One difference is the team can sign a CHL player at anytime even though they may stay in junior. Take Monahan, Feaster says he's going to sign him this summer so there is no question of where he goes when he turns pro.

With college players you can't sign them until they declare they are turning pro so the thrill of being drafted fades and they can start thinking about other possibilities.

[4oh3]

GAUDREAU is 5'6 140. He'd get destroyed in the nhl

[Redmonster]

Originally Posted by 4oh3

GAUDREAU is 5'6 140. He'd get destroyed in the nhl

Lol Oh so ignorant, on so many levels too. Prepare to get destroyed in this thread.

[dammage79]

Alright. So Seiloff is heading in, Eric Roy is tweeting he is here. Hanowski has been in town all summer working out (and I am guessing working on skating with someone). does Agostino show up? Essentially all of our D prospects should be here save Rafikov.

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There is a crap ton of new people to see and get excited about this development camp. Does Jankowski start to show his skill with a year a adjusting to his size now? Wish I could be there and see for me own eyes.

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by 4oh3

GAUDREAU is 5'6 140. He'd get destroyed in the nhl

Those aren't accuate stats anymore. Even Wikipedia is more up-to-date than that.

If you check his Boston College profile it shows him as two inchest taller and over 10 pounds heavier.

[MisterJoji]

Originally Posted by Parallex

Gah, no it doesn't. It doesn't at all... a team controls the rights to a NCAA bound player twice as long as they actually control the rights to a CHL player and exactly as long as a CHL players rights can be held by any NHL team.

There is no more risk then there is drafting any other player from any other stream.

Gawd, the nervious nellieing and chicken littling has gotten insane.

Originally Posted by Vulcan

One difference is the team can sign a CHL player at anytime even though they may stay in junior. Take Monahan, Feaster says he's going to sign him this summer so there is no question of where he goes when he turns pro.

With college players you can't sign them until they declare they are turning pro so the thrill of being drafted fades and they can start thinking about other possibilities.

Forgive my ignorance if this is wrong, but don't CHL players re-enter the draft if the are unable to come to terms? Giving the original drafting team some leverage to try and trade that player before he re-enters. Where as college players essentially become UFA's after 4 years? That would make college players a bit more risky.

[MisterJoji]

Originally Posted by Wolven

Those aren't accuate stats anymore. Even Wikipedia is more up-to-date than that.

If you check his Boston College profile it shows him as two inchest taller and over 10 pounds heavier.

Don't bother feeding the troll, his join date is this month. Obviously just one of the HFOilers rejects who is so selfconscious about his own crappy team he needs to come here to try and feel better.

[edslunch]

Originally Posted by devo22

I sincerely want to thank Tom Erixon, without whom those "nice" discussions and doubts among us Flames fans wouldn't be possible.

Ironically it worked to our benefit with Corban Knight so it will be hard to cry foul if it works against us with Johnny G.

Not that I think it will happen, but if the Flames decide he won't sign hopefully they trade after his upcoming Hobey Baker season and not wait until the gun is against their head.

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by MisterJoji

Forgive my ignorance if this is wrong, but don't CHL players re-enter the draft if the are unable to come to terms?

After the first two years yes (like how the Flames got Matthew Lombardi).

Originally Posted by MisterJoji

Giving the original drafting team some leverage to try and trade that player before he re-enters.

You can trade their rights at any time... but you can trade the rights to a NCAA player as well. That's how the Flames got Corban Knight.

Originally Posted by MisterJoji

Where as college players essentially become UFA's after 4 years?

All players become UFA's after 4 years if they aren't signed. You don't hold rights to CHL players indefinetely (nor players from Euro leagues, Junior A, Prep School leagues, or anywhere). Hell you potentially lose your exclusive rights to CHL players if you don't sign them after two.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Parallex

After the first two years yes (like how the Flames got Matthew Lombardi).



You can trade their rights at any time... but you can trade the rights to a NCAA player as well. That's how the Flames got Corban Knight.



All players become UFA's after 4 years if they aren't signed. You don't hold rights to CHL players indefinetely (nor players from Euro leagues, Junior A, Prep School leagues, or anywhere). Hell you potentially lose your exclusive rights to CHL players if you don't sign them after two.

Thank you for sharing the facts in this thread. As I said in another thread, we should be trading Monahan right now. He isn't signed and we hold his rights for only the next 23 months compared to the 25 we hold Gaudreau's. oh, the drama!