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Knut · 07-03-2013, 01:37 PM

http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/03/world/...sts/index.html

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gypt's military deposed the country's first democratically elected president Wednesday night, installing the head of the country's highest court as an interim leader, the country's top general announced.

Gen. Abdul Fattah Al-Sisi said the military was fulfilling its "historic responsibility" to protect the country by ousting Mohamed Morsy, the Western-educated Islamist leader elected a year ago. Morsy failed to meet demands to share power with opponents who thronged the streets of Cairo, and those crowds erupted as the announcement was made.

Let's take another crack at it.

REDVAN · 07-03-2013, 01:40 PM

So is this good or bad for Egypt?

nik- · 07-03-2013, 01:41 PM

Good for the region, probably so so for the people depending on the ambitions of the Generals.

Hack&Lube · 07-03-2013, 01:43 PM

After Morsi gave himself sweeping powers and freedom from judicial review, etc. it became very plainly obvious he wasn't the kind of leader the Egyptian revolution was looking for.

Canuck-Hater · 07-03-2013, 01:44 PM

Can't believe Obama actually endorses this clown.

RedMileDJ · 07-03-2013, 01:52 PM

So is it safe to travel there? I'm supposed to go on a trip to Egypt, among other places, in a year. Haven't checked the travel advisories lately.

burn_this_city · 07-03-2013, 02:01 PM

Good for Egypt, the constitution the MB wrote was a joke. Hopefully the opposition rallies behind Mohamed ElBaradei, he's the most sensible person to lead the country out of this period.

FlameOn · 07-03-2013, 02:17 PM

I always wondered why it seems like leaders elected in democracies in the middle east and Africa see themselves as having no limits to their powers once elected. So many examples of leaders just ignoring or re-writing constitutional limits on their powers to fit their needs.

_Q_ · 07-03-2013, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by FlameOn

I always wondered why it seems like leaders elected in democracies in the middle east and Africa see themselves as having no limits to their powers once elected. So many examples of leaders just ignoring or re-writing constitutional limits on their powers to fit their needs.

Because for the most part, they can do it without any consequence.

Daradon · 07-03-2013, 03:17 PM

Good for Egypt AND the region if they do hold another election and don't descend into civil war.

But that's a few ifs. It does seem to be on the right track though. And the military seems to be doing a good job preventing violence so far. Course it's only a few hours in.

Daradon · 07-03-2013, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by FlameOn

I always wondered why it seems like leaders elected in democracies in the middle east and Africa see themselves as having no limits to their powers once elected. So many examples of leaders just ignoring or re-writing constitutional limits on their powers to fit their needs.

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Originally Posted by _Q_

Because for the most part, they can do it without any consequence.

Well, and it`s what they are used to. I do agree with you, but I also think it's a bit more nuanced than that. The very concept of working for the people or not needing to rule with an iron fist to keep order is probably hard to grasp when you've lived under dictators and powerful regimes all your life.

blankall · 07-03-2013, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Canuck-Hater

Can't believe Obama actually endorses this clown.

To be fair so did the millions who voted for him. It's pretty difficult to predict the future.

SebC · 07-03-2013, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Daradon

Good for Egypt AND the region if they do hold another election and don't descend into civil war.

Problem is another election will likely have the same result. The problem Egypt has is that the secularists aren't a majority. They're a democracy, but they can't be a liberal democracy until voting patterns change.

The Swedish Flame · 07-03-2013, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Element55

So is it safe to travel there? I'm supposed to go on a trip to Egypt, among other places, in a year. Haven't checked the travel advisories lately.

Hard to say. I haven't seen a timeframe put in place yet.

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Originally Posted by Daradon

Good for Egypt AND the region if they do hold another election and don't descend into civil war.

But that's a few ifs. It does seem to be on the right track though. And the military seems to be doing a good job preventing violence so far. Course it's only a few hours in.

Yeah, some big ifs.

The big question is what Morsi's supporters decide to do moving forward. Does the MB and their supporters decide to accept the military/opposition's proposal to sit at the table, or do they feel wronged and reject the process that (probably) is going to take place.

I won't lie, I think it's mostly a good thing that Morsi is gone. I think that it might be the best for Egypt in the long-run.

Daradon · 07-03-2013, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by SebC

Problem is another election will likely have the same result. The problem Egypt has is that the secularists aren't a majority. They're a democracy, but they can't be a liberal democracy until voting patterns change.

I thought it was pretty close to a 50/50 split. I mean the demonstrations did work. If they were horribly outnumbered, it never would have. I could be wrong, but that's the feeling I had.

The thing to remember is that there are a lot of moderate muslims too, who also may have not liked Morsi's plans or efforts to consolidate power.

Daradon · 07-03-2013, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by The Swedish Flame

Hard to say. I haven't seen a timeframe put in place yet.

Yeah, some big ifs.

The big question is what Morsi's supporters decide to do moving forward. Does the MB and their supporters decide to accept the military/opposition's proposal to sit at the table, or do they feel wronged and reject the process that (probably) is going to take place.

I won't lie, I think it's mostly a good thing that Morsi is gone. I think that it might be the best for Egypt in the long-run.

Yeah, that's the big fear. Especially for the radicalized portion. Of course, if you're willing to bend to those people anyway, you've already lost. The fact that the public hasn't may be a good sign.

Or we may see Muslim insurgency and violence ala Iraq.

_Q_ · 07-03-2013, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Element55

So is it safe to travel there? I'm supposed to go on a trip to Egypt, among other places, in a year. Haven't checked the travel advisories lately.

In about a year, everything should have settled down. Egypt is generally a pretty safe country too.

As long as the "among other places" part isn't Syria, you should be good to go.

CaptainCrunch · 07-03-2013, 04:17 PM

Its weird to me when the military in a middle eastern country is considered to be almost a force for moderate reform.

I don't know if the Muslim Brotherhood will let this stand without a fight, nor is there anyway to avoid them winning another election and continuing to reshape the constitution without oversight.

RedMileDJ · 07-03-2013, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by _Q_

In about a year, everything should have settled down. Egypt is generally a pretty safe country too.

As long as the "among other places" part isn't Syria, you should be good to go.

Oh man! I was going to check out a nice coffee shop in Syria!

I kid. I kid. The trip consists of going to Spain, Italy, Egypt and a few other places. Syria is not on the list.

WCW Nitro · 07-03-2013, 04:49 PM

As someone from the region, I think this is a good thing. The Egyptians will not stand for incompetent leadership after having the life sucked out of the country during Mubarak's rule. The only way this turns out bad is if the army and remnants of Mubarak's group combine forces. I doubt that happens though, the Egyptians have awoken, there's no turning back.