What would you give up for Seguin?

[dammage79]

How about:

Backlund, Gaudreau, Stempniak, '14 second
for
Seguin, McQuaid.

Gives Boston wiggle room to sign another RW like Mueller or Alfie.

[FlamesAndBruins]

I don't think the Bruins are actually trading Seguin, and if they do I don't think think it's for salary reasons. The B's aren't in that bad shape under the cap. So they won't be selling for pennies on the dollars.

Say they really do want to get rid of him: I'd say

Backlund+Gadreau+2014 2nd

could make sense. Boston gets some cap relief, immidiate help with a good 3rd line C (who I think is ready to break out into a 2nd liner with an all-around game), a good Boston college kid prospect, and a high second. They'd probably want the first but there's no way Calgary has any of that. The B's would first need to get a RWer from somewhere though.

But as I said, that's only if they're openly shopping him, and I'd imagine other teams would offer more. If they're fine with him and just wanted to kick him in the nuts, like I believe, hey won't be trading quality for quantity.

[$ven27]

Not much, I'm not sold on him being the guy. Gaudreau, Backlund, and a 3rd would be the most I'd offer.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

Yeah, when you analyze where the Flames are...I think moving assets for a guy like Seguin just doesn't line up. The team needs to accumulate as many assets as it can so that 2-3 years down the road they can have the pieces in place to go after another guy like this. In the mean time, time to get the seeds to plant, and let them grow.

Seguin is 21. He is that seed.

Also, the Flames don't need to have every player in the lineup come from their drafting. At the start of the season Baertschi and Seguin will both be 21. That's the perfect top line to build around.

A bunch of lesser assets for a 21 year old potential franchise player is an easy easy yes. Going for quantity over quality is never a good idea.

[jeffman]

These deals would be more hilarious if Gadreau refuses to sign with the Bruins at the end of college and signs with the Flames. One can dream..

[Milt Schmidt]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

I don't want to give up any current players.

how about the deal that got Kessel? 2 firsts.

It was actually 2 firsts and a second, which turned into Seguin, Hamilton, and Knight.

Milt

[JJsChaos]

Please tell me why you would want to trade away high-end future prospects for a player that's getting negative comments made about him publicly?

"General manager Peter Chiarelli thinks the 21-year-old needs to get his act together, or else he could wind up trade bait."

"Chiarelli let the hockey world know during Sunday's NHL draft in Newark, N.J., that he doesn't believe Seguin is committed enough and needs to be more professional."

This is incredibly concerning. The rebuild has started with drafting high integrity, self-motivated draft picks. I LOVE this model. Seguin does not fit it and is not worth the risk.

The rebuild is not 3 days old and people are getting overly excited and jumping the gun. This is a 3-5 year process.

[kehatch]

Originally Posted by dammage79

How about:

Backlund, Gaudreau, Stempniak, '14 second
for
Seguin, McQuaid.

Gives Boston wiggle room to sign another RW like Mueller or Alfie.

I was going to post an identical trade minus McQuaid.

[kehatch]

Originally Posted by JJsChaos

Please tell me why you would want to trade away high-end future prospects for a player that's getting negative comments made about him publicly?

"General manager Peter Chiarelli thinks the 21-year-old needs to get his act together, or else he could wind up trade bait."

"Chiarelli let the hockey world know during Sunday's NHL draft in Newark, N.J., that he doesn't believe Seguin is committed enough and needs to be more professional."

This is incredibly concerning. The rebuild has started with drafting high integrity, self-motivated draft picks. I LOVE this model. Seguin does not fit it and is not worth the risk.

The rebuild is not 3 days old and people are getting overly excited and jumping the gun. This is a 3-5 year process.

If you can get Seguin without giving up Baertschi, Brodie, Monahan, or a first next season then it is a deal you have to seriously consider.

[Dagger]

Maybe others view it differently, but acquiring Seguin is far akin to the Kings getting Richards, the Jackets Carter, or any move that cashes prospects/picks/dump for an elite player. Seguin is/will be an elite player but he wouldn't be coming here to help get us over the hump or anything like that. He'd be coming over to be the FACE of the team for the next 15 years, and someone that you build around, not used as a complimentary piece.

[kehatch]

Originally Posted by Dagger

Maybe others view it differently, but acquiring Seguin is far akin to the Kings getting Richards, the Jackets Carter, or any move that cashes prospects/picks/dump for an elite player. Seguin is/will be an elite player but he wouldn't be coming here to help get us over the hump or anything like that. He'd be coming over to be the FACE of the team for the next 15 years, and someone that you build around, not used as a complimentary piece.

I agree. Those guys were 25 years old with 6-years of NHL experience under the belt. Seguin is 21. Getting Seguin is very much in line with a rebuild.

But if you start giving up pieces like Baertschi, Brodie, Monahan, or next years first now you are giving up major components of the rebuild. It is deck shuffling for the purpose of winning sooner. And I would hate to give up ELCs on potential top players to try and win now.

[-TC-]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Glencross+Gaudreau+2nd

Glencross+Gaudreau+Backlund

I would make either of those deals. Issue is I doubt Glencross waives his NTC.

I'm on board with this...

You are going to have to make it look good, and this is about as good as I'd be prepared to make it..

unless you can keep Scoreface and some work Cammi and some salary coming back...that I'd entertain too

[kehatch]

If the Flames had a graduation party Glencross would be voted "Least likely to waive his NMC".

[CSharp]

Considering Cammi and Seguin have nearly the same cap hit salary and Cammi only have one year left on the contract, Feaster should deal with this one as a one for one. Bruins gets relief of the salary after this year, while the Flames take on Salary for next 5 plus they get younger with a center. Anything more is just tilted Bruins way. If a bit more is needed, throw in a 4th rounder

[Dagger]

Originally Posted by kehatch

I agree. Those guys were 25 years old with 6-years of NHL experience under the belt. Seguin is 21. Getting Seguin is very much in line with a rebuild.

But if you start giving up pieces like Baertschi, Brodie, Monahan, or next years first now you are giving up major components of the rebuild. It is deck shuffling for the purpose of winning sooner. And I would hate to give up ELCs on potential top players to try and win now.

Which is definitely more than fair and just down to personal preference, but for me bringing in Seguin who is farther down the developmental line(with huge potential) is more enticing than drafting say, Reinhart. Reinhart may be a comparable prospect, but you just don't know what will become. There's a very good chance he's a first line player(assuming he holds his value this year), but in Seguin you're getting that guy only 3 years ahead so you have a much clearer picture of what the future holds. That, and as you say it speeds up the rebuild. I'm not calling for a rush or hatchet job on our rebuild, just that I believe the whole point of a rebuild is to get as much young elite talent as possible and Seguin is exactly that. You're obviously giving some up in return, but he is worth it.

[FlamesAddiction]

To the Bruins:

• A conditional 1st rounder (Flames will get to choose either 2014, 2015 or 2016)
• A 2014 2nd round pick
• Backlund, Butler
• Granlund

To the Flames:

• Sequin and Bartkowski

Boston likely turns it down, but I don't think I would go much higher than that.

[Dagger]

Originally Posted by CSharp

Considering Cammi and Seguin have nearly the same cap hit salary and Cammi only have one year left on the contract, Feaster should deal with this one as a one for one. Bruins gets relief of the salary after this year, while the Flames take on Salary for next 5 plus they get younger with a center. Anything more is just tilted Bruins way.

Honest question. If we give Baertschi a sizeable contract when his ELC is up and he has a decent season but not great would you take back only an expiring contact?

Seguin is a premier young talent, and will not be available for an asset that maybe gets us a 1st round pick.

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by Savvy27

Gaudreau + Backlund + 2nd - I would do easily
Gaudreau + Backlund + 1st - I would do somewhat reluctantly

I am less attached to our 2014 1st rounder because I think it is much more likely to be a 5-10 pick than a 1-5 pick. Seguin is a good player now who I think will be a top 15 player in the league in a couple of years.

I understand people's reluctance and they may be right, however I am probably more bullish on Seguin than most and also less convinced that the Flames will be a bottom dweller than most.

I like your optimism and usually I have the rosiest of glasses on when it comes to the Flames but once Kipper confirmed his retirement that was the last nail in the coffin for me for next season.

Considering these factors:
- Our rebuilding team with at least three of our best players being replaced by rookies
- Goaltending situation (MacDonald & Ramo / Berra)
- The new division (ANA, CGY, EDM, LAK, PHX, SJS, VAN)

I think we are going to get smashed next season. The Panthers are very likely to get hammered too considering their new division but I think they are the only other team that truthfully should be competing with us in the basement of the standings. Nashville could be there too but I am expecting Rinne to steal more games for them than MacDonald will steal for us.

Also, with a full season in front of us it will be a lot harder for teams to engage in the kind of rapid tanking that we saw last season in the shortened schedule.

That is why I would say that our 2014 1st round draft pick should most definitely be "untouchable" or valued as a 1st/2nd overall pick.

[kehatch]

Originally Posted by Dagger

Which is definitely more than fair and just down to personal preference, but for me bringing in Seguin who is farther down the developmental line(with huge potential) is more enticing than drafting say, Reinhart. Reinhart may be a comparable prospect, but you just don't know what will become. There's a very good chance he's a first line player(assuming he holds his value this year), but in Seguin you're getting that guy only 3 years ahead so you have a much clearer picture of what the future holds. That, and as you say it speeds up the rebuild. I'm not calling for a rush or hatchet job on our rebuild, just that I believe the whole point of a rebuild is to get as much young elite talent as possible and Seguin is exactly that. You're obviously giving some up in return, but he is worth it.

Seguin is already past his ELC and getting paid NHL dollars. Plus every year of a rebuild is wasting a year of his contract and a year of prime production.

I would love Seguin. But for a team in full rebuild a player like Reinhart or Ekblad is worth more.

Again, I really want him. But I don't want to give up Baertschi, Brodie, Monahan, or the first. If that means no deal then no deal IMO.

I think it is unlikely that Boston deals though regardless of any reasonable offer on the table. Not with Horton leaving and them not signing Lecavalier

[Red John]

Think Seguin will almost certainly turn out to be a better player than whoever the 2014 1st fetches, but you still can't trade that pick.

It's a rebuilding year and though the draft appears to be a weak one, there's always a chance someone comes out of nowhere (a la Drouin this past year) to be a top prospect.

Absolutely no trading any more 2015 picks (especially the 1st). That is going to be a monster draft, perhaps even better than the 2003 draft.

If you can get a deal done with Gaudreau as the centrepiece and adding quantity of pieces like Backlund then yes. But no way should a 2014 or 2015 1st be in any discussions.