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DSIM420 · 06-30-2013, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by flameswin

I just don't understand why you guys bother typing these types of posts out. I just don't. Like what are you hoping for that compells you to go through the effort?

I had an extra couple of minutes and felt like wasting it.

Quincy Egg · 06-30-2013, 07:43 PM

I'm sorry but I have to get this off my chest. When a team that is competitive like the Canucks have arrguablys a better draft than us then something isn't right. Shinkaruk should have been picked at the 22 spot and I feel this oversight will bite us in the ass in the future.

oldschoolcalgary · 06-30-2013, 07:56 PM

definitely surprised about the non selection of Shinkaruk. And, this is not a criticism of Poirier per se, but it seems like it may have been possible to trade down a few spots if he was that target...

yes, it is possible that he might not have fallen to 28th, but that probability is no more less than him lasting to 28th. People are speculating.

Calgary, in a similar situation last year, traded down and still got his pick...Same with Kanzig. Seems like there was a chance of getting additional picks. Yes it takes two to tango; it also requires someone to pick up the phone. You don't know if they tried moving down just as I don't know whether they even bothered. So that argument is moot.

and let's be clear: I am not a scout. But neither is anyone posting on this board...

If the argument is always going to fall back to "if you're so smart, you should be a scout", then this board might as well not exist, because everything the organization does is immune to criticism by that flawed logic.

Stormchaser · 06-30-2013, 08:09 PM

Don't agree with picking the Giant with our 3rd when Baptiste was still there but overall I think Feaster and co. are doing a pretty good job at the draft these days.

oldschoolcalgary · 06-30-2013, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by stormchaser

Don't agree with picking the Giant with our 3rd when Baptiste was still there but overall I think Feaster and co. are doing a pretty good job at the draft these days.

So far, I don't disagree...but it is still way too early to tell.

The board is littered with posts trumpeting how great player X was doing and how they were going to be NHL'ers sooner rather than later. Yet that never materialized. 20 years in the drafting/development wilderness is more than just bad luck.

Now, Feaster isn't to blame for any of that, but the metric for success is not restocking your AHL team or having kids light it up in junior. Success is measured in # of NHL games played and # of points and quality minutes.

The jury is still out on the drafting/development by the current regime.

FlamesAddiction · 06-30-2013, 08:21 PM

I was hoping Lindholm would fall to us, but I'm happy with all the picks we made.

standinmotion · 06-30-2013, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by oldschoolcalgary

definitely surprised about the non selection of Shinkaruk. And, this is not a criticism of Poirier per se, but it seems like it may have been possible to trade down a few spots if he was that target... .

While I agree with you and others on this, it is a reminder that it takes two to tango. I don't mean this as personal attacks but it is always easier to make trades in nhl 2013.

oldschoolcalgary · 06-30-2013, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by standinmotion

While I agree with you and others on this, it is a reminder that it takes two to tango. I don't mean this as personal attacks but it is always easier to make trades in nhl 2013.

sure, and this is equally not meant as a personal attack either, Calgary could have just as easily have been the unwilling partner, as much as the other 29 teams.

Jay Random · 06-30-2013, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by standinmotion

While I agree with you and others on this, it is a reminder that it takes two to tango. I don't mean this as personal attacks but it is always easier to make trades in nhl 2013.

Of course, it would have been easy for the Flames to trade down. I'm sure Montreal would have loved to move up to #22 so they could pick . . . er . . . Poirier.

Rule #17: When you are looking for a trade partner, DO NOT choose the guy in the back of the crowd who is jumping up and down yelling, 'Pick me! Pick me!'

oldschoolcalgary · 06-30-2013, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Jay Random

Of course, it would have been easy for the Flames to trade down. I'm sure Montreal would have loved to move up to #22 so they could pick . . . er . . . Poirier.

Rule #17: When you are looking for a trade partner, DO NOT choose the guy in the back of the crowd who is jumping up and down yelling, 'Pick me! Pick me!'

lol, in theory that's true.

but it didn't prevent them from trading down last year, exposing Jankowski for any team that wanted him to trade for the spot

Jay Random · 06-30-2013, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by oldschoolcalgary

lol, in theory that's true.

but it didn't prevent them from trading down last year, exposing Jankowski for any team that wanted him to trade for the spot

True, but they didn't trade with a guy yelling 'Pick me!' because he wanted Jankowski.

oldschoolcalgary · 06-30-2013, 10:17 PM

well, if a GM was doing that, he would be much of a GM now would he?

I would assume any opposing GM's list would be as secret as Feaster's list.

MrMastodonFarm · 06-30-2013, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Quincy Egg

I'm sorry but I have to get this off my chest. When a team that is competitive like the Canucks have arrguablys a better draft than us then something isn't right. Shinkaruk should have been picked at the 22 spot and I feel this oversight will bite us in the ass in the future.

Were you eating a cookie?

BurningSteel · 07-01-2013, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by oldschoolcalgary

and let's be clear: I am not a scout. But neither is anyone posting on this board...

Hey.....speak for yourself.............I got me all the badges.

Jay Random · 07-01-2013, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by oldschoolcalgary

well, if a GM was doing that, he would be much of a GM now would he?

I would assume any opposing GM's list would be as secret as Feaster's list.

True, but there are some things you can't keep secret. If a team calls a player in for a second interview, word gets out. If a team has a history of drafting a particular kind of player, that's public knowledge to begin with. And sometimes scouts are just blabbermouths.

Enoch Root · 07-01-2013, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by oldschoolcalgary

lol, in theory that's true.

but it didn't prevent them from trading down last year, exposing Jankowski for any team that wanted him to trade for the spot

They seemed to have a pretty good idea who might be interested and of course knew where they were picking. Thinking he probably gets taken near the end of the first, they felt comfortable sliding to 21. Definitely a risk, but obviously they felt comfortable doing it

Conversely, their intel seemed to suggest they didn't have wiggle room this time. Who knows, maybe Montreal doesn't take him at 25. But obviously they didn't want to risk it this time.

The scouts in any given area all know each other. If it's a more obscure pick like Poirier (or Jankowski) it isn't hard to see who else is making regular visits.

Teams want to keep their lists secret, but everybody has a pretty good idea what everybody else is interested in for the most part.

And it appears that the Flames intel has been pretty good the last couple years