[Rumour] Flames willing to move #6 pick for top D or #1 center

[Pierre "Monster" McGuire]

Originally Posted by Mike F

Let's face it, for the vast majority, their highest value was on draft day prior to the pick. If Feaster could parlay the potential people see in the #6 pick to a known young centre, he'd be a fool not to consider it.

To be fair though, you should probably look at the picks made at #5 and #7 as well since a player can easily go in any of those spots.

[Henry Fool]

I should say that looking at just the 6th overall picks is somewhat arbitrary and misleading. Lots of great players have gone 6th and later. You want to evaluate the talent available, not just who happened to go at some specific number.

[foshizzle11]

7th Overalls
2012 - Matt Dumba
2011 - Mark Scheifele
2010 - Jeff Skinner
2009 - Nazem Kadri
2008 - Colin Wilson
2007 - Jakum Voracek
2006 - Kyle Okposo
2005 - Jack Skille
2004 - Rostislav Olesz
2003 - Ryan Suter
2002 - Joffrey Lupul
2001 - Mike Komisarek
2000 - Lars Jonsson

now, picking 7th overall seems to be pretty damn good. So it looks like picking 5th thru 7th could still prove to be a star calibre player.

Just saying!

[Igster]

I'm sorry, but if I'm the GM and Boston offered me Seguin straight up for the #6 pick, I take it. A proven, young, extremely talented, Cup winning center? Yeah, I would take that in a heartbeat over some 6th pick that hasn't proven anything yet.

That being said, Bruins wouldn't make that trade anyway.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Mike F

Here's the 6th picks since 1980:

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Let's face it, for the vast majority, their highest value was on draft day prior to the pick. If Feaster could parlay the potential people see in the #6 pick to a known young centre, he'd be a fool not to consider it.

But it isn't a case of the 6th for Seguin, it would likely be the 6th ++ for Seguin

If it was just the pick, then getting a known quantity like Seguin would be an easy decision.

But giving up several assets is a different matter. I would rather take the pick and see if you could get a Seguin or better on your own.

[Henry Fool]

If the argument is that you need to draft at the very top to get a star player, then you should look at everyone who has been available past the first few picks or at least at 6th and later. No doubt you'd find out that there have been many great players drafted. I mean, we don't even have to look. Everyone knows that those players have been picked. They're harder to find but they're always there.

[kehatch]

Originally Posted by $ven27

Pretty sure it's the other way around.

Not according to the article. http://www.csnphilly.com/hockey-phil...-primary-focus

The Calgary Flames offered the Flyers their sixth overall pick for Matt Read, Coburn and the Flyers 11th pick - an excessive amount to ask. GM Jay Feaster feels he can get that from a team like the Flyers looking for an impact player now. Sources said the Flyers rejected the offer.

Not sure if it is true.

[Savvy27]

If I am understanding Mike F correctly, his point is not that you can't find good or even star players at 6, it is that in terms of reliably drafting top end talent, the 6th position is closer to 10th than it is to 3rd and people are talking about 6th overall like it is as valuable as a top 3 pick just because this is a deep draft.

I would not include 3rd overall in a trade for Seguin, but I would include 6th overall because I am not confident that any of the guys we will be picking there will be elite players. However, I am confident Seguin will be.

If Boston is looking for a top 6 forward, a good prospect and a top 10 pick, then I believe that is a price that Calgary can pay for the relative certainty that Seguin will be a star player. If they are looking for the 6th + Baertschi + Giordano or something like that, then no that is too costly.

[kehatch]

Originally Posted by Igster

I'm sorry, but if I'm the GM and Boston offered me Seguin straight up for the #6 pick, I take it. A proven, young, extremely talented, Cup winning center? Yeah, I would take that in a heartbeat over some 6th pick that hasn't proven anything yet.

That being said, Bruins wouldn't make that trade anyway.

Sounds like they are looking for a top 10 pick and an AAA prospect. Which means you are looking at the 6 and Baertschi/Brodie.

I really like Seguin. It might be worth it. But for a team like Calgary you are giving up two AAA prospects for a single player past his ELC already getting paid close to 6M per season.

Tough sell.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by foshizzle11

7th Overalls
2012 - Matt Dumba
2011 - Mark Scheifele
2010 - Jeff Skinner
2009 - Nazem Kadri
2008 - Colin Wilson
2007 - Jakum Voracek
2006 - Kyle Okposo
2005 - Jack Skille
2004 - Rostislav Olesz
2003 - Ryan Suter
2002 - Joffrey Lupul
2001 - Mike Komisarek
2000 - Lars Jonsson

now, picking 7th overall seems to be pretty damn good. So it looks like picking 5th thru 7th could still prove to be a star calibre player.

Just saying!

That list isn't a whole lot better...........

[kehatch]

I wonder if Feaster is trying to leverage the Philly trade with a Boston trade?

Step 1: 6-overall (CGY) for (PHI) Coburn, Read, 11-overall
Step 2: 11-overall, Baertschi (CGY) for (BOS) Seguin

[Henry Fool]

Originally Posted by Savvy27

If I am understanding Mike F correctly, his point is not that you can't find good or even star players at 6, it is that in terms of reliably drafting top end talent, the 6th position is closer to 10th than it is to 3rd and people are talking about 6th overall like it is as valuable as a top 3 pick just because this is a deep draft.

I would not include 3rd overall in a trade for Seguin, but I would include 6th overall because I am not confident that any of the guys we will be picking there will be elite players. However, I am confident Seguin will be.

If Boston is looking for a top 6 forward, a good prospect and a top 10 pick, then I believe that is a price that Calgary can pay for the relative certainty that Seguin will be a star player. If they are looking for the 6th + Baertschi + Giordano or something like that, then no that is too costly.

Yeah, there's a huge difference between the first couple of picks and the rest in terms of how reliably they project. I don't think anyone has said that the top goes as far as 6th this year either.

Boston has to be looking for 6th+Bärtschi at least. It's not a question of whether or not you're prepared to trade your highest pick, it's how many first rounders you're offering and whether Sven is available.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

What's going on with this? I heard the Flames traded Sven, Backlund, Gaudreau, Brodie, the 6th this year and next years 1st for Seguin.

[Mike F]

Originally Posted by Savvy27

If I am understanding Mike F correctly, his point is not that you can't find good or even star players at 6, it is that in terms of reliably drafting top end talent, the 6th position is closer to 10th than it is to 3rd and people are talking about 6th overall like it is as valuable as a top 3 pick just because this is a deep draft.

I would not include 3rd overall in a trade for Seguin, but I would include 6th overall because I am not confident that any of the guys we will be picking there will be elite players. However, I am confident Seguin will be.

If Boston is looking for a top 6 forward, a good prospect and a top 10 pick, then I believe that is a price that Calgary can pay for the relative certainty that Seguin will be a star player. If they are looking for the 6th + Baertschi + Giordano or something like that, then no that is too costly.

Basically.

To expand myself, I think that if this is the draft that turns around the Flames franchise, then they need to leave New Jersey with their future #1 centre (edit: and by this I mean the guy who turns out to be their #1 centre, not just a guy with that label).

Monohan or Lindholm could be that #1 centre, and I wouldn't be dissatisfied with one as a Flame tomorrow night, but historically, guys who fall to #6 usually don't reach that status, so if Feaster has a chance to package the #6 for a still young but known quantity at centre he has to consider it, rather than being caught up in the dreams about the home run #6 could be.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

What's going on with this? I heard the Flames traded Sven, Backlund, Gaudreau, Brodie, the 6th this year and next years 1st for Seguin.

Almost right.

The Flames also threw in Glencross, Giordano, and a 30% interest in the Rocky Mountains.

And they agreed to pull their goalie for the entire third period of every game, ensuring that next year's pick will be 1st overall. (The lottery will be rigged to ensure that the Oilers don't get it instead.)

Also, the Seguin they're getting in return is Thibault Seguin, a 57-year-old former video store clerk from Lafayette, Louisiana, who now works part-time as an orange traffic cone.

And it's ALL FEASTER'S FAULT! Burn! Burn the fat lawyer!

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by foshizzle11

ya, people have to remember that next year, most likely our pick will be in the top 5 and more likely in the top 3. This is when we get that star calibre player. I really just hope if Feaster does make a trade using the 6th overall this year it is a really, really good return. I still have faith in him but that could change after tomorrow.

Stay the course and draft the best player available at 6 if nothing that really helps us comes along.

Flames will never have a top 5 pick

[Ashasx]

I can't believe we made that offer to Philly.

Why trade away players like Tanguay just to trade for players like Coburn and Read? They are not young enough to fit a rebuilding Flames team.

[VladtheImpaler]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

I can't believe we made that offer to Philly.

Why trade away players like Tanguay just to trade for players like Coburn and Read? They are not young enough to fit a rebuilding Flames team.

They are kind of young and can help save Feaster's job (he hopes).

[foshizzle11]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

Flames will never have a top 5 pick

Why? we won't be bad enough?

[Caged Great]

Originally Posted by foshizzle11

Why? we won't be bad enough?

Well, if we're foolish enough to offer 6 for Coburn Read and 11, then, no we won't be.