Valeri Nichushkin Discussion

[nik-]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I know that there's been a shift to Monahan over the past month but I've been doing more reading on Lindholm and he sounds to me like a Landeskog type player except he's a center. I'm starting to get the feeling that this kid could be a special player. Maybe not the next Crosby but a Jonathan Toews type player. I won't be disappointed at all if he's taken by the Flames at 6.

Agreed, if we don't pick him, I think we'll watch him for a long time and be like "damn"

Regardless, whoever we pick at 6, assuming they don't get up there and go crazy, is going to immediately be our best prospect, and that's pretty awesome.

[kehatch]

I am really hoping that Nashville decides to pick Nurse and Carolina is sold on Nichushkin. It is unlikely Barkov falls to 6. But it isn't impossible one of the top 5 teams goes slightly off the board. In fact it happens most drafts.

[nik-]

The only way Nashville doesn't pick Barkov, imo, is if Tampa goes Nichushkin and Drouin is available for them. Then Carolina will take him ... and we'll weep again about them blowing a lead with three minutes left.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

Thats one way to warp a young mind. Imagine in 3 years Nichushkin giving interviews about the moon, bears, ect because that is all Bryz would talk to him about.LOL.

Well if you're going to have a kid six thousand miles away from home, do you think he'd be hurt by talking philosophy with Bryz as he learns English? That sounds like a blast.

Bryz gets such a bad rap, he's goalie-odd and he while he didn't play as well as he could have in Philly, the fans and the media are horrid to goaltenders there and he never really got a chance.

"Warp his mind" lol

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by kehatch

I am really hoping that Nashville decides to pick Nurse and Carolina is sold on Nichushkin. It is unlikely Barkov falls to 6. But it isn't impossible one of the top 5 teams goes slightly off the board. In fact it happens most drafts.

Nashville isn't passing on one of these forwards to take Darnell Nurse.

[Calgary4LIfe]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Well if you're going to have a kid six thousand miles away from home, do you think he'd be hurt by talking philosophy with Bryz as he learns English? That sounds like a blast.

Bryz gets such a bad rap, he's goalie-odd and he while he didn't play as well as he could have in Philly, the fans and the media are horrid to goaltenders there and he never really got a chance.

"Warp his mind" lol

In all fairness the bad rep was from Phoenix. When former team mates start calling you out in the media, there is usually something there. How bad he really is and how far things get exaggerated is a matter of public opinion I guess.

[Jables16]

I will personally guarantee that the Flames will not take Nichushkin with the sixth pick. I am pube-eating certain of it. There is too much importance and emphasis on getting a really quality player with this pick to risk it him. Whether rightly or wrongly there will always be that question of whether he would come over and stay here long term. MacKinnon, Jones, Douin, and Barkov will go 1-4 (not necessarily in that order) and the Flames will pick one of Monahan or Lindholm depending on what Carolina (or whoever ends up picking fifth) does.

Should Nichushkin be taken fifth and Lindholm and Monahan are available I don't know which player the Flames would prefer. I think they should take Monahan, he seems like he has the frame, skill, and hockey sense to be the top line center we've needed for so long. His skating style and demeanor are so reminiscent of Eric Staal. Not that I wouldn't be happy with Lindholm but if it's a choice between the two I'd rather have the guy who's 6'3 rather than 5'11.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by Jables16

I will personally guarantee that the Flames will not take Nichushkin with the sixth pick. I am pube-eating certain of it. There is too much importance and emphasis on getting a really quality player with this pick to risk it him. Whether rightly or wrongly there will always be that question of whether he would come over and stay here long term. MacKinnon, Jones, Douin, and Barkov will go 1-4 (not necessarily in that order) and the Flames will pick one of Monahan or Lindholm depending on what Carolina (or whoever ends up picking fifth) does.

Should Nichushkin be taken fifth and Lindholm and Monahan are available I don't know which player the Flames would prefer. I think they should take Monahan, he seems like he has the frame, skill, and hockey sense to be the top line center we've needed for so long. His skating style and demeanor are so reminiscent of Eric Staal. Not that I wouldn't be happy with Lindholm but if it's a choice between the two I'd rather have the guy who's 6'3 rather than 5'11.

^ pube bet!

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Well if you're going to have a kid six thousand miles away from home, do you think he'd be hurt by talking philosophy with Bryz as he learns English? That sounds like a blast.

Bryz gets such a bad rap, he's goalie-odd and he while he didn't play as well as he could have in Philly, the fans and the media are horrid to goaltenders there and he never really got a chance.

"Warp his mind" lol

I really didn't think i needed to have green text on my post to show that it was a joke.

[SebC]

Originally Posted by Bourque's Twin

I think,
Monahan = safest pick
Lindholm = middle point (more risky than Monahan less risky than Nich)
Nichushkin = high risk, only potential 1st liner.

In my opinion, the Flames should gamble on Nichushkin

Lindholm is certainly a potential 1st liner. The guys who most closely match his draft year production from the SEL are H. Sedin and Backstrom.

Lindholm comparables

And for comparison:

Monahan comparables
Nichuchkin comparables

Flames: take Lindholm. Carolina: please don't take Lindholm.

[PlayfulGenius]

Damn.. i've flip-flopped again... Lindholm it is

[Bourque's Twin]

Originally Posted by SebC

Lindholm is certainly a potential 1st liner. The guys who most closely match his draft year production from the SEL are H. Sedin and Backstrom.

Lindholm comparables

And for comparison:

Monahan comparables
Nichuchkin comparables

Flames: take Lindholm. Carolina: please don't take Lindholm.

Those are great stats to look at. Now I'm anti-Monahan lol. However, to the public, Monahan is the "safest pick" because he's Canadian and plays a great 2-way game.

[Muta]

I'm now gunning for Lindholm. I think he might have less chatter about him at the moment, but he's got good, natural skill. REALLY good skill.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Muta

I'm now gunning for Lindholm. I think he might have less chatter about him at the moment, but he's got good, natural skill. REALLY good skill.

Is it crazy to think that a lot of the hype and chatter around Monahan is from teams that are hoping someone else picks him first and thus pushes Lindholm and/or Nichushkin down a spot?

[VladtheImpaler]

I just don't see us taking Lindholm based on everything I've seen/heard, plus:

1) Not North American
2) Won't play next year, so can't save Feaster's keester

I really believe that it's (Barkov long shot notwithstanding) Monahan or Nichushkin.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by VladtheImpaler

I just don't see us taking Lindholm based on everything I've seen/heard, plus:

1) Not North American
2) Won't play next year, so can't save Feaster's keester

I really believe that it's (Barkov long shot notwithstanding) Monahan or Nichushkin.

I don't think not being North American has any merit. They would like Barkov and he is not North American. Same with Nichushkin.

Playing next year should be last on his list. I think Barkov and Nichushkin will be gone by the time the flames pick. Putting Monahan on the team to try and save your job could destroy the kids career.

If its between Monahan or Lindholm i would not care if either played on the flames next year.

[Stampede2TheCup]

Originally Posted by VladtheImpaler

I just don't see us taking Lindholm based on everything I've seen/heard, plus:

1) Not North American
2) Won't play next year, so can't save Feaster's keester

I really believe that it's (Barkov long shot notwithstanding) Monahan or Nichushkin.

Originally Posted by sureLoss

So talk about a misquote..

This is exactly what Feaster said from the video on the Flames website:
"We are not going at or approaching from the standpoint of saying that the player we take at 6 has to come in and play or oh what a bad draft it was for us.. we missed. That is not the case at all

But what we would hope is again drafting in a draft that is as good as we perceive this one to be, that with that pick at 6; it will be a player that can come to camp and legitimately to have an opportunity - given the holes in our hockey club - to step in. "

..

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Is it crazy to think that a lot of the hype and chatter around Monahan is from teams that are hoping someone else picks him first and thus pushes Lindholm and/or Nichushkin down a spot?

1. What hype? The guys hyped are MacKinnon, Drouin and Jones. Monahan isn't being hyped any more than Nurse, Lindholm, etc from what I've read. Not sure why people keep talking about Monahan receiving "hype" late in the season, haven't seen any evidence of that.

2. Yes you'd be crazy to think that.

[Calgary4LIfe]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Is it crazy to think that a lot of the hype and chatter around Monahan is from teams that are hoping someone else picks him first and thus pushes Lindholm and/or Nichushkin down a spot?

Hype? If anything, lately he has been getting bad press. Apparent weaknesses are popping up. 'Maybe his compete level isn't there'... 'he hasn't played for months now, and he could have bombed in the playoffs and dropped his ranking'... etc.

I would infer the opposite of getting hyped is happening, and perhaps with the very opposite intentions! You can never tell this close to the draft.

[debil]

His youtube highlights from world juniors make him the best pick. But still it's just youtube scouting. I don't want to play it safe. We took a risk last year with jankowski, we should continue in this.