Flames 2013 Draft Discussion

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Why wasn't the draft held today? A nice Saturday draft?

Is that too much to ask?

It probably has to do with the 48 hour buyout window after the Finals.

If the Finals had gone 7 games, the Cup would have been awarded on Wednesday night, which would have meant the buyout window wouldn't have opened until last night. That would have meant that any team wanting to execute a compliance buyout would have put those players on waivers today at noon, and they would have cleared tomorrow at noon.

If the Draft was held today before those buyouts could occur, it would have impacted some teams ability to make trades at the Draft.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

It's not like Nichushkin will be the only elite player available at our pick. I think the guys we're picking from are so close that if the Flames want they can pick by position.

Exactly

[nik-]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

It's not like Nichushkin will be the only elite player available at our pick. I think the guys we're picking from are so close that if the Flames want they can pick by position.

That's kind of the gist of a lot of us wanting to take the centers and not the winger.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

One thing that really worries me with Monahan is that something around 44 of his 78 points came on the powerplay. Only 34 even-strength/shorthanded points.

Heard this mentioned a few times and don't understand the criticism...

Is it Monahan's fault that his team was so bad that they couldn't score 5 on 5?

I could understand if the team was scoring but he wasn't contributing, but that's not the case.

[FBI]

What was the suspension for?

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by FBI

What was the suspension for?

Hitting from behind. Bad hit.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by FBI

What was the suspension for?

Hit to the head.

[dammage79]

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

It's not like Nichushkin will be the only elite player available at our pick. I think the guys we're picking from are so close that if the Flames want they can pick by position.

All it takes is two wild card picks at 3, 4 or 5 for a player we hadn't counted on being available, being available.

If there is a player that is available at 6, that we thought wouldn't be, there could be a significant market of teams picking 7-15 who might really jump at the chance/mortgage the future in order to trade up to the #6 spot.

Might be able to get a really significant asset Plus another pick in the top 10 or 15, and still able to snag the player they wanted at #6.

I have a feeling much of the activity right now is trying to move up in the draft to snag a specific player targeted by a team that is not a consensus 3-15 selection. Could be much of the of what we were hearing about multiple interviews for different kids is an indication that teams have significant differences on which players should be going when. This would make sense with this draft being categorized as 'deep'. Players some teams have slated for the 2nd round are likely thought of as potential top 15 picks by other organizations.

Like Ottawa when they moved up from 18 to 15 mid draft after Karlsson was still available, and they had targeted him to go much sooner.

If Calgary snags a player in the top 10, it might be far more worthwhile to turn the late round picks into multiple 2nds.

[RT14]

After hearing that Canes beat writer on the Fan claiming with a fair amount of confidence the team would take Nichushkin IF he's still available at 5, it sure makes you wonder...is there a chance someone takes Nich top 4 and leaves Barkov at 5? Leaving the Canes at 5 who could very well have a Nurse or someone next on their list?

At that point, they may be more than willing to move down to 6 for small adder, or even take someone else and leave Barkov to us....would be unreal, but starting to sound like anything is possible at this point.

[nik-]

Barkov won't be there at 6. Hope must be killed so it doesn't grow into heartbreak!

[dammage79]

Darren Haynes ‏@DarrenHaynes_CP 2h
It's sure looking like the #Flames will remain at No. 6. My take on why history suggests against taking Sean Monahan. http://flamesfrom80feet.blogspot.ca/

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Darren Haynes ‏@DarrenHaynes_CP 2h
It's sure looking like the #Flames will remain at No. 6. My take on why history suggests against taking Sean Monahan. http://flamesfrom80feet.blogspot.ca/

I fail to see any point or argument in that article. He thinks there is risk because Monahan didn't paly in the playoffs.

Then he talks about the last 20 players in the same boat and to me, that list looks just fine.

I would be shocked if someone could demonstrate that that list would be significantly different from random vs other picks

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

I fail to see any point or argument in that article. He thinks there is risk because Monahan didn't paly in the playoffs.

Then he talks about the last 20 players in the same boat and to me, that list looks just fine.

I would be shocked if someone could demonstrate that that list would be significantly different from random vs other picks

Hey, I'm just putting up what I heard from him on the Fan earlier. I don't agree or disagree really. Just one guys point of view thats out there.

[Enoch Root]

and I was just commenting on the article.

[Icon]

If Monahans there and they don't take him... I'll be sad

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Darren Haynes ‏@DarrenHaynes_CP 2h
It's sure looking like the #Flames will remain at No. 6. My take on why history suggests against taking Sean Monahan. http://flamesfrom80feet.blogspot.ca/

Let's hope so. It sound like it's simply going to be too costly to move up.

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

He was driving the bus in Ottawa. Monahan had 78 points. Ottawa scored 208 goals. So Monahan was in on 37.5% of Ottawa's offense and that was with missing 10 games due to suspension. Next highest scoring player on the team? 51 points. Pretty clear that Monahan was one of their sole offensive threats.

To compare Halifax scored 347 goals with Drouin scoring 105 points for 30% of his team's offense. MacKinnon had 75 points for 22% of his team's offense. That said MacKinnon did have an injury and both players missed a bit of time due to the World Juniors.

Lindholm had 30 points on Brynas who scored 123 goals. That is 24% of his team's offense that he was in on. But in a men's league so more impressive perhaps.

Barkov had 48 points on Tappara who scored 173 goals. That is 28% of his team's offense. Very impressive.

Nice post. i think his offense is underrated.

[sureLoss]

Fan 960 says the Flames were very impressed with Monahan in interviews. Steinberg says Conroy liked him a lot.

Main concern is leg strength.

[Heavy Jack]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Fan 960 says the Flames were very impressed with Monahan. Steinberg says Conroy liked him a lot.

Hoping they don't trade the 6th. Don't care about anything else really as long as we pick 6th.