[News] Canadian National Junior Team Summer Camp

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Easy. Reinhart has played against better competition his entire junior career and excelled. Jankowski has high school and one season with Providence College under his belt and is work in progress.

He plays in the CHL so he is better. Solid argument. Reinhart is a huge talent, but is also a work in progress as he is just a child.

[Canada 02]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Without looking it up, the rule is that you must be 19 on Dec 31st (or something to that effect)

An easier way to look at it is that you have to be bon in 1994 or later

forgot how young Jankowski is. Monahan and Shinkaruk are only 1 month younger; Lindholm is about 2.5 months, Anthony Mantha is just three days, Seth Jones is about 2 weeks

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

He plays in the CHL so he is better. Solid argument. Reinhart is a huge talent, but is also a work in progress as he is just a child.

A child that put up 80+ points against kids up to two years older than him and may go first overall in the 2014 draft. It's not even close IMO and don't take my word for it as Hockey Canada knows far more about thise kids than we do.

[dammage79]

I think Jankowski will be at the Winter invite camp. A good chunk of those forwards won't likely be available. I have a feeling Rychel, MacKinnon, Horvat, Drouin and Laughton will all be on a NHL roster.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by moon

I would prefer Reinhart, McDavid and Lazar on this team over Jankowski for sure and for two way, maturity well Laughton, Monahan are both easily much further ahead in those areas, Gauthier likely on par with more offense/size, Horvat likely ahead outside of maybe maturity (but who knows about that).

Jankowski is behind a lot of guys in terms of C depth, not a fit at all to play top 6 wing at this point and probably not a fit bottom six wing either.

Nothing wrong with that it is a very tough team to make and plenty of good players didn't make the team and went on to be okay at the NHL level. Jankowski was always more of a long term prospect so not surprising that he is not ready for the elite level quite yet.

Again, I don't see Reinhart and McDavid both making the team, with Sutter coaching, but we'll see.

I think Monahan would be a lock as two-way C, but he is probably 50/50 to be in the NHL (assuming either the Flames or Oilers draft him)

[valo403]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Based on what exactly outside of your own personal opinion that I surmise is in the minority here and certainly in the eyes of Hockey Canada? Kid isn't even strong enough to play center yet as he played on the wing this season.

Perhaps things changed later in the season as I didn't see much of him, but the games I saw him suit up in he played a significant amount of C

[J epworth]

Right now, Jankowski has done nothing to prove to scouts that he is a better option than those centres for this WJC. Like others here have said though, 2 of those guys will probably not be available anyways, which opens up a potential spot, if Jankowski wants to work for it. I've said this before, if Jankowski continues his progress in Providence and shows that he can handle the #1 centre position this fall, he will be invited to camp and be right there on the edge of getting a spot on the team. You don't ignore #1 centremen from the NCAA, he will definitely get his chance if he earns it.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by dammage79

I think Jankowski will be at the Winter invite camp. A good chunk of those forwards won't likely be available. I have a feeling Rychel, MacKinnon, Horvat, Drouin and Laughton will all be on a NHL roster.

It would be nice to see him get an invite as the experience would be great for his developement.

[J epworth]

Originally Posted by valo403

Perhaps things changed later in the season as I didn't see much of him, but the games I saw him suit up in he played a significant amount of C

He didn't play a significant amount of centre in any games last year. The coach even said at the beginning of the offseason the reasons why they kept him on the wing, and why they wanted to wait till this fall to throw him in as their #1 guy. So I really don't know what games you were watching, because he was almost never lining up as centre.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

A child that put up 80+ points against kids up to two years older than him and may go first overall in the 2014 draft. It's not even close IMO and don't take my word for it as Hockey Canada knows far more about thise kids than we do.

This is not a debate about talent - there is no question that Reinhart is gifted.

The point is that it is a tournament for 19 year olds, especially with Sutter caching.

And the team hasn't been picked yet so stop with the 'Hockey Canada knows more' DB-ary.

[moon]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Again, I don't see Reinhart and McDavid both making the team, with Sutter coaching, but we'll see.

I think Monahan would be a lock as two-way C, but he is probably 50/50 to be in the NHL (assuming either the Flames or Oilers draft him)

I don't think both are likely to make it either (maybe if both Monahan and MacKinnon are in NHL they take Reinhart for offense and McDavid as extra forward) but that doesn't mean that they both are still better options than Jankowski.

Assuming Monahan is not in NHL I assume the centers would look something like:

Monahan
Lazar/Horvat
Laughton
Lazar/Horvat/Gaunce

If Monahan is not there I would think Reinhart has a good chance to make it.

[moon]

Originally Posted by dammage79

I think Jankowski will be at the Winter invite camp. A good chunk of those forwards won't likely be available. I have a feeling Rychel, MacKinnon, Horvat, Drouin and Laughton will all be on a NHL roster.

Rychel and Horvat? That would mean a lot of first year guys in the NHL considering Jones, Douin and MacKinnon all likely to be there and Ristolainen also a guy mentioned as who is NHL ready.

Not often guys taken as late as Horvat and Rychel make the NHL right after their draft year.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by J epworth kendal

He didn't play a significant amount of centre in any games last year. The coach even said at the beginning of the offseason the reasons why they kept him on the wing, and why they wanted to wait till this fall to throw him in as their #1 guy. So I really don't know what games you were watching, because he was almost never lining up as centre.

Well that's garbage because I stood at the rink at Brown one Saturday night and froze my ass off watching him play the vast majority of his shifts at center.

[J epworth]

One thing I have to say, first time in years we have 3 goalies that could all legitimately be the best for Canada since Price, at least one of Comrie, Fucale or Paterson better fricken step up this time around.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by moon

Rychel and Horvat? That would mean a lot of first year guys in the NHL considering Jones, Douin and MacKinnon all likely to be there and Ristolainen also a guy mentioned as who is NHL ready.

Not often guys taken as late as Horvat and Rychel make the NHL right after their draft year.

They both have the size to go in and compete for a spot. Especially Rychel I think.

[J epworth]

Originally Posted by valo403

Well that's garbage because I stood at the rink at Brown one Saturday night and froze my ass off watching him play the vast majority of his shifts at center.

Okay so he played a game in Brown at Centre. I didn't watch every single one of his games, and none in person so my facts definitely aren't perfect. My facts came from asking Joe Meloni, from College Hockey News about him back in April, and that's what he had to say to me, so I was going off of that.

[moon]

Originally Posted by J epworth kendal

One thing I have to say, first time in years we have 3 goalies that could all legitimately be the best for Canada since Price, at least one of Comrie, Fucale or Paterson better fricken step up this time around.

Since Mason. He was the year after Price and was awesome that year.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

And the team hasn't been picked yet so stop with the 'Hockey Canada knows more' DB-ary.

Isn't that true though? Or do you claim to have a better grasp on these prospects?

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by moon

I don't think both are likely to make it either (maybe if both Monahan and MacKinnon are in NHL they take Reinhart for offense and McDavid as extra forward) but that doesn't mean that they both are still better options than Jankowski.

Assuming Monahan is not in NHL I assume the centers would look something like:

Monahan
Lazar/Horvat
Laughton
Lazar/Horvat/Gaunce

If Monahan is not there I would think Reinhart has a good chance to make it.

All these players are worthy and I am not saying Jankowski is better.

I am saying tis would b a very young team. And Sutter likes a mature, well-rounded team that can play a 200 ft game.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by J epworth kendal

Okay so he played a game in Brown at Centre. I didn't watch every single one of his games, and none in person so my facts definitely aren't perfect. My facts came from asking Joe Meloni, from College Hockey News about him back in April, and that's what he had to say to me, so I was going off of that.

I didn't see every game either, and said above that it may have changed later in the year, but I saw him play significant minutes at Brown which I can't imagine was the only time he played C all year. Not saying he wasn't used on the wing for the most part, just that it's not as if PC treated him like he's a winger now.