[Trade] Flames acquire Shane O'Brien and David Jones for Tanguay and Sarich

[IliketoPuck]

I don't understand how people are upset about this trade.

Seriously. Put yourselves in the shoes of an Avs fan. Do you really want Tanguay and Sarich on your team? If you said yes you are a liar.

Flames get younger, stronger, faster, and harder to play against. All while addressing a glaring hole on right wing.

Good trade Feaster, I like the cut of your jib on this one.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by nik-

I don't think we got tougher to play against. It's nice that they're younger and bigger, but they're not good. We can't just focus on height and weight.

This trade just seems kind of pointless.

Maybe hard to play against was the wrong thing to say but we did get more physical and bigger. 2 things this org needs. It is not like we are a playoff team anyway

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

There is no way we won this trade.

Nobody but Flames fans think this trade is even close. It is absolutely embarrassing. Tanguay may have been sulking, but he was putting up pretty damn good point totals for his cap hit. Sarich, while a 7th defenceman, only had a year left on his contract. SOB has 2.

These two players were absolutely hated by Avs fans, and for good reason. You guys hate it when Glencross goes full ######... you're going to to go insane with SOB. David Jones is also an AHL skater with a Jeff Carter wrist shot. He is awful.

2 years left on SOB's deal, 3 for Jones. Absolutely brutal stuff for the Flames, and I'm sick of it.

What a terrible day for Flames fans. Shunned by Shanahan, and Feaster makes another one of his patented trades.

We should be very afraid for draft day.

Who are you talking to? HE BOARDS doesn't count.

Everybody in the media is calling it a pretty even trade, on both sides.

Avs got the most talented player but the Flames got younger and harder to play against.

Jones is a Glencross comparison, from 2010 to 2012 Glencross had 50 goals in 146 games. Jones has 47 in 149 games the last couple seasons.

[DropIt]

Originally Posted by Stay Golden

how did we lose this trade? Sarich wasn't in the plans, even last year obviously the coaching staff saw him as 7th or 8th in the depth chart.

Tanguay was just going to sulk until he was traded. Not to mention several fans were getting sick of his pass first choice, pass second choice decision making.
When Tangs was really clicking with Iggy it was great but next season he wasn't going to be the same player and the Flames brass saw that.

We get younger and bigger, good.

We lost the trade by taking on a 4 million dollar cap hit for the next 4 years on a player who was borderline buyout-worthy.

This has the potential to surpass Kotalik as taking on all time bad contracts. Fingers crossed that it was just the situation in Colorado, but we should have at least grabbed a draft pick for taking on the larger and longer term in a lesser effective player

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Our management group thinks they are smarter than everyone else, when reality is they are firmly mounted at the bottom of all 30 teams.

The only 2 good moves this team has made in the last 3 years was drafting Baertschi and Gaudreau. That's proving to be dumb luck.

Find the bottom of that Bottle man. All I can say.

[timbit]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

We got 2 younger and bigger players on brutal contracts. We also squandered an asset in Tanguay who should have gotten more.

We are not just a worse team today, we are in worse shape down the road as well.

I expect these 2 players to be bought out whenever we get a management change, which hopefully is soon.

Tanguay should have gotten more?

Laughable.

PRO Scouts watched him and their evaluation was dead on

He fooled nobody.

[doctajones428]

Originally Posted by DropIt

We lost the trade by taking on a 4 million dollar cap hit for the next 4 years on a player who was borderline buyout-worthy.

This has the potential to surpass Kotalik as taking on all time bad contracts. Fingers crossed that it was just the situation in Colorado, but we should have at least grabbed a draft pick for taking on the larger and longer term in a lesser effective player

nm

4 for 4 or 3.5 for 4. Not much different

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by DropIt

We lost the trade by taking on a 4 million dollar cap hit for the next 4 years on a player who was borderline buyout-worthy.

This has the potential to surpass Kotalik as taking on all time bad contracts. Fingers crossed that it was just the situation in Colorado, but we should have at least grabbed a draft pick for taking on the larger and longer term in a lesser effective player

Jones and tangs both have 3 years left on their deals just 500k higher for jones

[trublmaker]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

There is no way we won this trade.

Nobody but Flames fans think this trade is even close. It is absolutely embarrassing. Tanguay may have been sulking, but he was putting up pretty damn good point totals for his cap hit. Sarich, while a 7th defenceman, only had a year left on his contract. SOB has 2.

These two players were absolutely hated by Avs fans, and for good reason. You guys hate it when Glencross goes full ######... you're going to to go insane with SOB. David Jones is also an AHL skater with a Jeff Carter wrist shot. He is awful.

2 years left on SOB's deal, 3 for Jones. Absolutely brutal stuff for the Flames, and I'm sick of it.

What a terrible day for Flames fans. Shunned by Shanahan, and Feaster makes another one of his patented trades.

We should be very afraid for draft day.

Juuuust a slight over reaction don't you think?? Don't forget your pills next time.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Maybe hard to play against was the wrong thing to say but we did get more physical and bigger. 2 things this org needs. It is not like we are a playoff team anyway

We need to get bigger, but they also need to be decent players.

I think it's pretty easy for an outsider to say the Avs won this trade because Tanguay is easily the most skilled of the lot ... but whatever. As a Flames fan you can't really honestly believe this is anything more than a push unless you're just trying to spin it. Both team shipped out problems, the Flames didn't get better or worse in relation to what next season is going to be (a disaster) and the Avs get someone who can dish to their talent. People who are saying we "won" because of Tanguay sulking are deluding themselves.

[expo2428]

After every trade the Flames are the laughing stock now. I can debate with people who actually want to debate and talk the trade but honestly the Flames are just the trend to pick on now. People who know nothing about the players involved make fun of the Flames. Im pretty sure from my talks with other fans the Flames lost this trade because Tanguay is a houehold name. They just go off his past success and say the Flames traded him for that "garbage"?!?! without actually knowing how Tanguay has been playing recently.

I dont see why this trade has to be labelled a winner or loser trade. I think both teams fixed some holes, nothing major but something different that both teams needed. I think thats whats wrong these days with hockey fans, I think every trade needs to have a "winner" to boost some fan ego or something....

[oldschoolcalgary]

Originally Posted by doctajones428

He only put up two points in the 8 games after we traded Iginla...

20 point pace over 82 games. Pretty sweet for his cap hit.

yup... tack on another 500K and you'll get 22 points projected over an 82 game season...psst, that was Jones' performance...

[trublmaker]

Originally Posted by DropIt

We lost the trade by taking on a 4 million dollar cap hit for the next 4 years on a player who was borderline buyout-worthy.

This has the potential to surpass Kotalik as taking on all time bad contracts. Fingers crossed that it was just the situation in Colorado, but we should have at least grabbed a draft pick for taking on the larger and longer term in a lesser effective player

A little perspective please.

[Kjesse]

As much as I think the time was right to move Tanguay, its pretty disappointing to see the implications of having to move someone who has both (1) checked out on the team despite having a contract which should suggest otherwise and (2) has the ability to control their own trade value by limiting the market in which they can be traded.

Tanguay was a ###### to the Flames in the Sutter era too. Good riddance. Probably one of my most hated Flames of all time. He rides along when times are good, ditches when times aren't or aren't to his own liking.

I hope the Flames have learned that NMC/NTC are cancerous. They severely impact trade value and should only be given in very specific situations. The trajectory of a player's performance depends not just on their ability, but their commitment to the team. Once they have a contract, they can check out on their commitment to their team, with little adverse repercussions.

Colorado won this trade by every metric except size and age. Jones is at best a reclamation project. I'm glad the Flames are now "bigger", and perhaps we are gearing up to get tougher as well, but damn, removing our scoring elements without replacement is looking like... very high draft picks for the forseeable future.

[scobel]

I don't mind this trade, this seems like a trade where two teams possible buyouts just swapped teams and if they work out great, if not always next year to buy them out. I am glad the flames are trying something different, at least we are not going into another year with the same group that hasn't worked in the past. I think if any year is a good year to try different things this is the year as those buy outs are a great asset to have .

[nik-]

Well, his 5 year contract was a mistake from the start and this is us paying the piper. Hopefully the next management team learns lessons from this Sutter/Feaster regime.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

There is no way we won this trade.

Nobody but Flames fans think this trade is even close. It is absolutely embarrassing. Tanguay may have been sulking, but he was putting up pretty damn good point totals for his cap hit.

His contract still brings him close to 37 when it's over. I don't know what we should have been hoping for for a return but it couldn't have been a ton. I mean the fans of other teams suggesting the Flames got robbed were the same ones laughing yesterday because the Flames had a contract like Tanguays on the team.

I'm not going to mistake Jones for Gretzky any time soon here but if he bounces back at all and chips in a couple goals here and there, I don't know how anyone can consider this an embarrassment. And being 5 years younger than Tanguay there's at least a hope he might be able to contribute as a role player once the rebuild ends.

Was it a win? Nah. Did the Flames lose? I don't see it.

[jeffman]

Originally Posted by DropIt

We lost the trade by taking on a 4 million dollar cap hit for the next 4 years on a player who was borderline buyout-worthy.

This has the potential to surpass Kotalik as taking on all time bad contracts. Fingers crossed that it was just the situation in Colorado, but we should have at least grabbed a draft pick for taking on the larger and longer term in a lesser effective player

This trade is good enough just by getting rid of the NMC itself

[Ashasx]

Feaster gave up a 2nd round pick to get out of 1 year left of Kotalik's contract.

He'll be giving up a couple first round picks to get out of Jones' contract in a couple years.

[Dagger]

The only positive out of this is that Colorado is seemingly ok with dealing with us again after the ROR sheet(although I think this probably has more to do with new management). Only saying it because I think Friedman pointed it out in our 3 1st for 1OA proposal.

Now that they know they can rip off Feaster I'm sure they're all ears for another proposal.