[News] Shanahan turns down the Flames

[trackercowe]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Meh, when all is said and done Brian Burke will be Pres of hockey Ops and GM. Just watch. His hate for K-Lowe and the greasy bunch is strong. No better place to take it to them than in Calgary.

A hockey fan can dream... a hockey fan can only dream.

He's not coming here with the same meddling ownership that caused turmoil in Toronto. He'd probably prefer a team like the Ducks that allows him to do what he believes is best, and doesn't have to run every move by ownership in order to get things done.

I really don't care if Shanahan was brought aboard or whatever with his unproven track record, but it's just another sign that unless things begin to change drastically that organization is still completely and totally ####ed from top to bottom.

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Meh, when all is said and done Brian Burke will be Pres of hockey Ops and GM.

Blah, I'd rather they have a pair of hobos fight and give the job to the winner then have Burke. Do. Not. Want.

Don't care about Shannahan, nothing to think he'd be good at the job. No loss as far as I'm concerned.

[CliffFletcher]

Yeah, I think we just have to admit this isn't a very attractive organization to qualified people. Edwards and King are our Katz and Lowe.

How did the Alberta franchises go from being the class of the league to such jokes? Some virulent strain of backwater hubris infected both organizations about 20 years ago.

[Erick Estrada]

Flames will never get a credible management team as long as King is still heavily involved in hockey operations. Although I am very disappointed I feel Shsnahan made the right decision. If I was him I would want to ensure my first chance at a position like this was one where I would be set up to succeed. As of right now the Flames are a have not organization and nothing short of a complete housecleaning is going to make this place an attractive destination for top shelf candidates.

[Brannigans Law]

Does anyone really think that King et all will give up their power by hiring Burke?

I would love Burke to be our guy. He's smart and has put together a great team in Toronto after building a great one in Vancouver. But he wants final say on things, something that wont happen here.

If he gets hired I will literally take a dump on my car.

[Calgary4LIfe]

Was I wrong to assume that KK is moving up, and based on the notion that Shanny did not have experience being a president, that there would of course be a little 'hand holding' for a while (typical at every job where someone comes in at a level or position they have never done before).

This doesn't show at all that Shanny didn't want to come here because of 'meddlesome' owners. Considering he is apparently buddy-buddy with Edwards it seems. I would like to know the reason why (or to see where Shanahan ends up landing) before speculating.

I know the Flames were speaking with Campbell. Any other names? I don't think they spoke with Burke (thank goodness - though many people here seem to want him). I remember someone on the Fan saying Nieuwendyk would have been a better choice for the Flames (not sure if he would or not - and what did he finish with degree-wise from Cornell anyways?). What is Big Al's role with St. Louis right now?

Wouldn't be surprised if it ends up being someone like Peplinski. That guy can really talk!

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

Wouldn't be surprised if it ends up being someone like Peplinski. That guy can really talk!

Pepper? Why not Perry Berezan while we are at it?

[Beatle17]

I get a kick out of reading these threads. In the Messier thread everyone is calling him a whiner and baby because he didn't get what he wants. In this thread everyone is bemoaning the fact that the Flames don't get Shanny.

They are both unqualified for the jobs, simple as that.

For people to state that execs and players won't come here because of the ownership group and King being too involved really goes to show that we as fans know absolutely nothing about running a major organization like this.

The Flames owners and President are no more involved in running the team than any leadership of a major company.

[Calgary4LIfe]

Originally Posted by Brannigans Law

Does anyone really think that King et all will give up their power by hiring Burke?

I would love Burke to be our guy. He's smart and has put together a great team in Toronto after building a great one in Vancouver. But he wants final say on things, something that wont happen here.

If he gets hired I will literally take a dump on my car.

Does Toronto really seem like a great team? I think they are 'good enough' to make the playoffs, and that's it. They don't strike me as being a contender really, now or in the foreseeable future with that lineup. He did make some shrewd trades, but his notion of 'rebuilding quickly' I think failed. He just got them back into the playoffs (which was a feat), but that is all he really did IMO. That is not the model I want for Calgary.

[polak]

Not surprised at all. Dark, dark times lie ahead as long the ownership group doesn't step back and take a long hard look at the mess they created and I don't think that will happen until we stop going to the games.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Beatle17

I get a kick out of reading these threads. In the Messier thread everyone is calling him a whiner and baby because he didn't get what he wants. In this thread everyone is bemoaning the fact that the Flames don't get Shanny.

They are both unqualified for the jobs, simple as that.

For people to state that execs and players won't come here because of the ownership group and King being too involved really goes to show that we as fans know absolutely nothing about running a major organization like this.

The Flames owners and President are no more involved in running the team than any leadership of a major company.

You do realize that Shanahan turned down the Flames right? The Flames didn't turn him down.

[FlamesAddiction]

Meh.. How much management experience does he even have? People like him because he is a name, but from the management side of things, he would be nothing more than a figurehead.

Personally, I think the way the Flames are set up right now, it would probably be too challenging for him given his experience. Both parties should be looking elsewhere IMO.

[Hyde]

Sounds as though as long as Edwards is the majority owner of the Flames; they'll be the laughing stock of the leauge. Of course I have no knowledge of his interference; since there are so many that bring it up can anyone show any proof?

[Hockey_Ninja]

Damn. I'm sure they'll look at the other candidates over the summer.

[Calgary4LIfe]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Pepper? Why not Perry Berezan while we are at it?

Oh, I don't know.. please tell me why Berezan would make a legitimate candidate. Or is this simply a troll post by you again?

Look up Pepper and what he is done since retiring. He is also a public speaker (was at one of his engagements - the guy is a winner). Not sure if he is qualified, but it isn't like I am just going through naming all the Flames alumni from the hey days. Every guy I mentioned has had executive experience, no?

So please, tell me about Berezan.

[VladtheImpaler]

Originally Posted by Beatle17

I get a kick out of reading these threads. In the Messier thread everyone is calling him a whiner and baby because he didn't get what he wants. In this thread everyone is bemoaning the fact that the Flames don't get Shanny.

They are both unqualified for the jobs, simple as that.

For people to state that execs and players won't come here because of the ownership group and King being too involved really goes to show that we as fans know absolutely nothing about running a major organization like this.

The Flames owners and President are no more involved in running the team than any leadership of a major company.

Well, let's see - other than Alberta boys (Sutters), we've hired scraps that nobody else wanted and who could not have got another job (Keenan, Feaster, Hartley). We have been turned down by at least one "desirable" candidate (Shanahan) and maybe more we haven't heard about. Small sample size, but the evidence, such as it is, would tend to support us and not you...

[Beatle17]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

You do realize that Shanahan turned down the Flames right? The Flames didn't turn him down.

I totally realize that but everyone jumps to the conclusion that he didn't take the job because of possible interference from King and ownership. Nobody knows why he turned it down. Maybe the Flames discussed the position with him based on him coming in and learning the business to be ready to take over if and when Ken King moves on, and that is why he didn't accept it.

Any multi-million dollar business that hires unqualified people, like Shanny or Messier, and gives them free reign to run things is a doomed business. Shanny would be smart to join a business like the Flames and learn from people like Edwards and the other owners, they didn't become billionaires by not knowing how to run a business.

Shanny and other players may be great hockey minds (which I personally truly doubt from their experience) but business wise they are like fresh college grads, whom nobody would turn their business over to, that is all I am saying.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by Brannigans Law

Does anyone really think that King et all will give up their power by hiring Burke?

I would love Burke to be our guy. He's smart and has put together a great team in Toronto after building a great one in Vancouver. But he wants final say on things, something that wont happen here.

If he gets hired I will literally take a dump on my car.

Woah. Great team in Toronto? Really??

[Beatle17]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Meh.. How much management experience does he even have? People like him because he is a name, but from the management side of things, he would be nothing more than a figurehead.

Personally, I think the way the Flames are set up right now, it would probably be too challenging for his given his experience. Both parties should be looking elsewhere IMO.

I agree with this 100%. Maybe Shanny turned down the Flames offer because he realized the position was over his head currently and needed more training at the NHL offices.

[trackercowe]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

Does Toronto really seem like a great team? I think they are 'good enough' to make the playoffs, and that's it. They don't strike me as being a contender really, now or in the foreseeable future with that lineup. He did make some shrewd trades, but his notion of 'rebuilding quickly' I think failed. He just got them back into the playoffs (which was a feat), but that is all he really did IMO. That is not the model I want for Calgary.

They are most definitely not a great team yet, and possibly even over-achieved this year. But at least we can tell they are finally improving with a team Burke built. He made a few mistakes getting there, but at least the Leafs finally started to make positive changes with Burke at the helm, something that just only started to happen in Calgary when Iginla was dealt (too late in the game might I add).

However, just look at how Ferguson Jr. left the team for him, and where they are today, and you'll see how much of a difference Burke made. They were in complete turmoil when Burke took over, just like we are today. The only "bad" move Burke made was trading for Kessel, which even then isn't as bad of a move as everyone says.

Even with that considered no one can overlook all the great moves Burke made while in Toronto. He also made a bunch of great moves throughout his career while in Hartford, Vancouver, and Anaheim. All that's missing from his track record is winning a cup with a team he's built on his own.

I know some people don't take to his bombastic nature, but I'll take that over Feaster's strange approach. He would be a drastic improvement over Feaster.

I don't mean to sound like a complete and total ass, but can any one name one significant A+ move Feaster has made during his time in either Calgary or Tampa Bay? I can't think of one, and could probably name ten for Burke over the years.

Just to back up this point: drafting the Sedin's, Phaneuf trade, trading up to draft Chris Pronger, Gardiner trade, Pronger trade, moves he made in Summer of 2005 (signed Moen, Marchant, Selanne, Niedermayer), getting Beauchemin from Columbus for scraps, solid drafting record (Pronger, Sedin's, Kesler, Kadri, Reilly, etc), getting rid of useless players (Stajan, Antropov, Ponikarovsky, Toskala), traded for Brendan Morrison in 2000. Some pretty solid moves all around right there.