Alberta Flood Watch 2013

[Nehkara]

Deerfoot is horrific today (Southbound). Do not even bother. Took me about 2 hours to get to work.

[CaptainCrunch]

Jane Sterk @janesterk

Calgary's Manhattan Moment http://ow.ly/ml4CG 1st analysis of Calgary flood that mentions climate change. Evidence mounts! #bcpoli

I saw this from earlier.

The difference between her and Andy is she's just a moron. While Andy ate what could be defined as frontier justice for his mean spirited garbage.

She needs to eat an understanding.

[The Goon]

[worth]

They were saying that stagnant water inside of houses will soon render the houses completely uninhabitable. Water needs to be drained and things need to start drying out within 24-48 hours in order to prevent bacteria and mold growth. by not letting the residents in, the town is basically sacrificing everyone's house.

An argument has been that during the Manitoba floods, residents are usually allowed to go in during the day to clean up, and then leave when night time comes.

People who disobeyed the evac order are saving their homes, while people who followed the evac order and going to lose theirs.

Another point of contention is that High River is keeps adding to the list of requirements before they let people in. Originally it was power and sewage, now people think the list is getting out of hand.

This is what i heard on the radio this morning, so don't shoot the messenger.

[troutman]

Originally Posted by Cowboy89

Thanked, because this obsession with 2005 is a little much for me. 2005 is only an anecdotal reference point for those of us living in Calgary now. It doesn't represent the previous high water mark, the previous one set in a time when there was no climate change to blame it on (oddly enough over 80 years ago).

I'm not saying there's no man made climate change involvement in this, just that the context of history needs to be fully and accurately examined before a 'shutup, repent, and buy a bicycle' reaction is warranted everytime someone's home gets trashed by mother nature.

We need to ask the question, and prepare for the future. Whether or not climate change is a cause, what can we do to reduce risk?

Purely anecdotal - my parents have suffered four severe floods in the last 10 years (Threepoint Creek - Sheep River), and had none in the 20 years prior to that.

I heard a caller on CBC talk yesterday about how Texas is 50 years ahead of us in flood reduction. For example, Austin has not suffered severe flood damage, despite having far more water flow than Calgary.

http://www.tsswcb.texas.gov/floodcontrol

Nearly 2,000 floodwater ######ing structures, or dams, have been built over the last 60 years within the State of Texas. The primary purpose of the structures is to protect lives and property by reducing the velocity of floodwaters, and thereby releasing flows at a safer rate. These are earthen dams that exist on private property, and were designed and constructed by the United States Department of Agriculture - Natural Resources Conservation Service (USDA-NRCS). They were built with the understanding that the private property owner would provide the land, the federal government would provide the technical design expertise and the funding to construct them, and then units of local government would be responsible for maintaining them into the future.

https://www.twdb.state.tx.us/flood/grant/fpp.asp

[Nehkara]

Originally Posted by worth

They were saying that stagnant water inside of houses will soon render the houses completely uninhabitable. Water needs to be drained and things need to start drying out within 24-48 hours in order to prevent bacteria and mold growth. by not letting the residents in, the town is basically sacrificing everyone's house.

An argument has been that during the Manitoba floods, residents are usually allowed to go in during the day to clean up, and then leave when night time comes.

People who disobeyed the evac order are saving their homes, while people who followed the evac order and going to lose theirs.

Another point of contention is that High River is keeps adding to the list of requirements before they let people in. Originally it was power and sewage, now people think the list is getting out of hand.

This is what i heard on the radio this morning, so don't shoot the messenger.

They are just trying to keep people safe.

That said, I realize a lot of people don't care and just want back to their home and their belongings.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Bobblehead

I saw that mentioned on the news. They interviewed one of the organizers and he fully admitted that they probably don't have a leg to stand on, but they are frustrated with not even being allowed to go in and look. It has been days and they and there isn't hasn't even been a hint of when they can return.

So I'm sure they are just so frustrated they need to do something. Ultimately they are distracting from the task at hand, but if I had been rushed out of my home and then kept away for days and days, I'm sure I'd be getting a bit antsy too.

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

If they are, they are idiots. I wonder what part of "state of emergency" those morons fail to comprehend.

As far as the earlier topic goes, people searching for reasons to hate Iginla are pathetic.

Thanks, I stuggle to understand how people can ignore or think that they know better than the powers at be.

[ranchlandsselling]

I just heard that Manulife is donating $100,000 to the Red Cross towards Alberta Flood Relief and will match employee donations thereafter. After the first few comments about Cenovus and Rogers and someone else I haven't seen too many others. That said, I've been a bit busy to look.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by worth

They were saying that stagnant water inside of houses will soon render the houses completely uninhabitable. Water needs to be drained and things need to start drying out within 24-48 hours in order to prevent bacteria and mold growth. by not letting the residents in, the town is basically sacrificing everyone's house.

An argument has been that during the Manitoba floods, residents are usually allowed to go in during the day to clean up, and then leave when night time comes.

People who disobeyed the evac order are saving their homes, while people who followed the evac order and going to lose theirs.

Another point of contention is that High River is keeps adding to the list of requirements before they let people in. Originally it was power and sewage, now people think the list is getting out of hand.

This is what i heard on the radio this morning, so don't shoot the messenger.

I see it as a manpower issue. I don't think there is the manpower to ensure people leave at night. You know that some people will decide to stay. I know it is extemely tuff (we had this discussion with my in-laws, that are staying with us currently, they live in High River), but letting people into the town before it is safe is foolish IMO.

[jar_e]

I know everyone has there story on how they are affected by this and I'm sure there have been thousands of photos posted in this thread already, but I wanted to pass mine on and my experience. Over the last five days, I've worked over 80 hours, mostly in the downtown core. I've witnessed first hand the destruction in the worst hit areas and have had the opportunity to also witness some amazing acts of courage, kindness, and selflessness. I have been forever moved and changed by what I've witnessed these past 5 days and these pictures only show the destruction, but there has been so much more to this than just the loss and the damage. I could probably write thousands of words on my experiences but I won't bore you. Hope you enjoy the photos.















Rest of the album can be found here http://smg.photobucket.com/user/jeuv...lgary%20Floods

[GrrlGoalie33]

There seems to be thought that work crews are pulling out of High River to help clean up the Stampede grounds. Is this true?

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by jar_e

I know everyone has there story on how they are affected by this and I'm sure there have been thousands of photos posted in this thread already, but I wanted to pass mine on and my experience. Over the last five days, I've worked over 80 hours, mostly in the downtown core. I've witnessed first hand the destruction in the worst hit areas and have had the opportunity to also witness some amazing acts of courage, kindness, and selflessness. I have been forever moved and changed by what I've witnessed these past 5 days and these pictures only show the destruction, but there has been so much more to this than just the loss and the damage. I could probably write thousands of words on my experiences but I won't bore you. Hope you enjoy the photos.


Rest of the album can be found here http://smg.photobucket.com/user/jeuv...lgary%20Floods

I hope you don't mind but I just send this link to Cayman, South Africa and England.

[jar_e]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

I hope you don't mind but I just send this link to Cayman, South Africa and England.

Not at all.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Frankster

There seems to be thought that work crews are pulling out of High River to help clean up the Stampede grounds. Is this true?

Obviously not.

[ken0042]

Originally Posted by psicodude

Well, pulling knives on cops ain't working, so...

There have been a few people saying they still have pets inside their house. Some people may have left a cat with a couple days worth of food and water; expecting to be back in once the emergency was over.

I could also see a situation where if this happened to me, I would have been away at work with my dog left inside my house. If my dog was left inside for 3 days without food and water, I would also be employing whatever measures I could to go get him. Pulling a knife on a cop would be much further down on my list.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by ken0042

There have been a few people saying they still have pets inside their house. Some people may have left a cat with a couple days worth of food and water; expecting to be back in once the emergency was over.

I could also see a situation where if this happened to me, I would have been away at work with my dog left inside my house. If my dog was left inside for 3 days without food and water, I would also be employing whatever measures I could to go get him. Pulling a knife on a cop would be much further down on my list.

Perhaps giving them you address, and your key and asking them to check?

[Cowperson]

Originally Posted by Frankster

There seems to be thought that work crews are pulling out of High River to help clean up the Stampede grounds. Is this true?

Why would you believe that?

Cowperson

[Table 5]

I can understand the desire to get back in, even if it goes against their own safety. Pets are part of the family to a lot of people. Let them in...but only if they they sign a waiver releasing the Govt from all responsibility if something goes wrong, and that if they do need to be rescued, they'll be charged for it.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Table 5

I can understand the desire to get back in, even if it goes against their own safety. Pets are part of the family to a lot of people. Let them in...but only if they they sign a waiver releasing the Govt from all responsibility if something goes wrong, and that if they do need to be rescued, they'll be charged for it.

Wouldn't work.

[ken0042]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

Perhaps giving them you address, and your key and asking them to check?

My understanding was they were not doing that. What I saw on the news was that they were diverting efforts to reducing the water level in the town, not checking individual houses.

Which I understand, the needs of the many, etc. But I know that since Katrina many emergency proceedures had to be changed to address the importance people place on pets.