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Old 06-25-2013, 10:11 AM   #6081
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Pretty much guaranteed that the Flames are one of those 4-5 teams.

Maybe if Jones doesn't fall to them at 4th (not likely), they will be ok dropping down to 6th.

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Old 06-25-2013, 12:51 PM   #6082
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Listening to the fan last night, in their mock draft Loubardias took Horvat with the Flames #6 pick.....and that was with both Monahan and Lindholm still on the board.

Jones
MacKinnon
Drouin
Barkov
Nichushkin
Horvat

....was the top six.

Don't see it, but who knows?
Loubo absolutely loves Horvat, that's why.
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Old 06-25-2013, 12:58 PM   #6083
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Listening to the fan last night, in their mock draft Loubardias took Horvat with the Flames #6 pick.....and that was with both Monahan and Lindholm still on the board.

Jones
MacKinnon
Drouin
Barkov
Nichushkin
Horvat

....was the top six.

Don't see it, but who knows?
That would give me an aneurysm
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Old 06-25-2013, 01:00 PM   #6084
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Not 2013, but this is the Canucks' draft list from the 2010 draft:



1. Hall
2. Seguin
3. Burmistrov
4. Gormley
5. Jack Campbell
6. Tarasenko
7. Gudbranson
8. Skinner
9. Fowler
10. Forbort
11. Johansen
12. Connelly
13. McIlrath
14. Visentin
15. Granlund
16. Kuznetsov
17. Nino
18. Tinordi
19. Bennett
20. Sheahan
21. Bjugstad
22. Merrill
23. Melchiori
24. Corbiel-Therault
25. Hishon
26. McNally
27. Straka, Petr
28. Jarnkrok, Calle
29. Gailev, Stanislav
30. Lindberg, Oscar
31. Polasek, Adam
32. Kabanov
33. Ross, Brad
34. Rensfeldt
35. Hayes, Kevin
36. Dominque, Louis
37. Petterson-Wentzel
38. Shwartz, Jaden
39. Knight, Jared
40. McFarland, John
41. Faulk, Justin
42. Zucker, Jason
43. Larsson, Johan
44. Watson, Austin
45. Toffoli, Tyler
46. Etem, Emerson
47. Pitlick, Tyler
48. Pickard, Calvin
49. Johns, Stephen
50. Pysyk, Mark
51. Marincin, Martin
52. Culek, Jakub
53. Howden, Quinton
54. Hamilton, Curtis
55. Friesen, Alex
56. Spooner, Ryan
57. Gudas, Radko
58. Mrazek, Petr
59. Holl, Justin
60. Pulkkinen, Teemu
61. Wannstrom, Sebastion
62. Bocharov, Stanislav
63. Nelson, Brock
64. Alt, Mark
65. Martindale, Ryan
66. McNeill, Reid
67. Aubry, Louis
68. Leach, Joey
69. MacMillan, Mark
70. Petrovic, Alex
71. Simpson, Kent
72. Brittain, Sam
73. Cehlin, Patrick
74. Gustafsson, Johan
75. Iilahti, Jonathan
76. Brodin, Danielk
77. Nemeth, Patrik
78. Coyle, Charlie
79. McCormick, Max
80. Kitsyn, Maxim
81. Donskoi, Joonas
82. Wind, Cameron
83. Smith Pelley, Devante
84. Tommernes, Henrik in 2011
85. Hannay, Sawyer
86. Zahn, Teigan
87. MacKenzie, Matt
88. Weal, Jordan
89. Chudinov, Maxim
90. Houser, Michael
91. Wedgewood, Scott
92. Sundher, Kevin
93. Beukeboom, Brock
94. O'Donnell, Brendan
95. Herbert, Caleb
96. Archibald, Brandon
97. Chaput, Michael
98. Salmivirta, Mikael
99. Hjalmarsson, Simon
100. Marchenko, Alexei
101. Brickley, Connor
102. Clark, Jason
103. Henley, Cedrick
104. Gauthier Leduc, Jerome
105. Gardiner, Max
106. Schemitsch, Geoffrey
107. Smith, Dalton
108. Yogan, Andrew
109. Barbeshev, Sergei
110. Hakanpaa, Jani
111. Aittokallio, Sami
112. Stahl, Tyler
113. Kantor, Michael
114. Marshall, Ben
115. Abeltshauser, Konrad
116. Shipley, Steven
117. Kuhnhackl, Tom
118. Bulmer, Brett
119. Grubauer, Phillip
120. Arnold, Bill

from http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh....php?t=1452789

That is a very bad list.
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Old 06-25-2013, 01:49 PM   #6085
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http://insider.espn.go.com/nhl/story...aft-approaches

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Russian winger Valeri Nichushkin may be the most interesting prospect heading into draft day. ESPN's Craig Custance wrote a column discussing him as the wildcard at the top of the draft, and that's a very appropriate description. I've heard a few NHL scouts say they believe Nichushkin will fall past Edmonton at No. 7, while numerous other sources feel he will go in the top four.

When asked by the Russian publication R-Sport where he thinks he will be picked, Nichushkin said, "I know that Tampa Bay and Nashville want to choose me."
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Old 06-25-2013, 01:57 PM   #6086
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re. the Canucks 2010 list, I imagine every team in the league has a list that looks drastically different than draft publications, or how the actual draft plays out.
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Old 06-25-2013, 02:10 PM   #6087
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I hope he's right. If somebody ahead of us takes Nichushkin, that means we will have our pick out of AT LEAST two of Barkov, Monahan and Lindholm. Most likely the latter two.
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I hope he's right. If somebody ahead of us takes Nichushkin, that means we will have our pick out of AT LEAST two of Barkov, Monahan and Lindholm. Most likely the latter two.
After getting burned by Radulov, why would the preds pick another Russian? I don't buy it.
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re. the Canucks 2010 list, I imagine every team in the league has a list that looks drastically different than draft publications, or how the actual draft plays out.
Yup, pretty much.

I've interviewed NHL guys and they tell me their final list is usually about 100 guys, cause they still have people among the team's top 100 available in the 7th round (210 picks overall).

The lists vary wildly once you get past 10 or so.
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Old 06-25-2013, 03:24 PM   #6090
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Question for those who are more read, what's your thoughts on Josh Morrissey?

Think he'll be around for the 22nd pick?
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Old 06-25-2013, 03:51 PM   #6091
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Question for those who are more read, what's your thoughts on Josh Morrissey?

Think he'll be around for the 22nd pick?
I think he's a pretty decent offensive d-man, a little smaller at 5'11" (i think that's his size) but apparently the flames didn't even interview him.
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Old 06-25-2013, 04:10 PM   #6092
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Not 2013, but this is the Canucks' draft list from the 2010 draft:



1. Hall
2. Seguin
3. Burmistrov
4. Gormley
5. Jack Campbell
6. Tarasenko
7. Gudbranson
8. Skinner
9. Fowler
10. Forbort
11. Johansen
12. Connelly
13. McIlrath
14. Visentin
15. Granlund
16. Kuznetsov
17. Nino
18. Tinordi
19. Bennett
20. Sheahan
21. Bjugstad
22. Merrill
23. Melchiori
24. Corbiel-Therault
25. Hishon
26. McNally
27. Straka, Petr
28. Jarnkrok, Calle
29. Gailev, Stanislav
30. Lindberg, Oscar
31. Polasek, Adam
32. Kabanov
33. Ross, Brad
34. Rensfeldt
35. Hayes, Kevin
36. Dominque, Louis
37. Petterson-Wentzel
38. Shwartz, Jaden
39. Knight, Jared
40. McFarland, John
41. Faulk, Justin
42. Zucker, Jason
43. Larsson, Johan
44. Watson, Austin
45. Toffoli, Tyler
46. Etem, Emerson
47. Pitlick, Tyler
48. Pickard, Calvin
49. Johns, Stephen
50. Pysyk, Mark
51. Marincin, Martin
52. Culek, Jakub
53. Howden, Quinton
54. Hamilton, Curtis
55. Friesen, Alex
56. Spooner, Ryan
57. Gudas, Radko
58. Mrazek, Petr
59. Holl, Justin
60. Pulkkinen, Teemu
61. Wannstrom, Sebastion
62. Bocharov, Stanislav
63. Nelson, Brock
64. Alt, Mark
65. Martindale, Ryan
66. McNeill, Reid
67. Aubry, Louis
68. Leach, Joey
69. MacMillan, Mark
70. Petrovic, Alex
71. Simpson, Kent
72. Brittain, Sam
73. Cehlin, Patrick
74. Gustafsson, Johan
75. Iilahti, Jonathan
76. Brodin, Danielk
77. Nemeth, Patrik
78. Coyle, Charlie
79. McCormick, Max
80. Kitsyn, Maxim
81. Donskoi, Joonas
82. Wind, Cameron
83. Smith Pelley, Devante
84. Tommernes, Henrik in 2011
85. Hannay, Sawyer
86. Zahn, Teigan
87. MacKenzie, Matt
88. Weal, Jordan
89. Chudinov, Maxim
90. Houser, Michael
91. Wedgewood, Scott
92. Sundher, Kevin
93. Beukeboom, Brock
94. O'Donnell, Brendan
95. Herbert, Caleb
96. Archibald, Brandon
97. Chaput, Michael
98. Salmivirta, Mikael
99. Hjalmarsson, Simon
100. Marchenko, Alexei
101. Brickley, Connor
102. Clark, Jason
103. Henley, Cedrick
104. Gauthier Leduc, Jerome
105. Gardiner, Max
106. Schemitsch, Geoffrey
107. Smith, Dalton
108. Yogan, Andrew
109. Barbeshev, Sergei
110. Hakanpaa, Jani
111. Aittokallio, Sami
112. Stahl, Tyler
113. Kantor, Michael
114. Marshall, Ben
115. Abeltshauser, Konrad
116. Shipley, Steven
117. Kuhnhackl, Tom
118. Bulmer, Brett
119. Grubauer, Phillip
120. Arnold, Bill

from http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh....php?t=1452789

That is a very bad list.
Lots of variation. The Canucks picked the following players (none of the picks looking good right now).

Patrick McNally 115th overall, Canucks ranking 26th
Adam Polasek 145th overall, Canucks ranking 31st
Alex Friesen 172nd overall, Canucks ranking 55th
Jonathan Iialati 175th overall, Canucks ranking 75th
Sawyer Hannay 205th overall, Canucks ranking 85th

Max Reinhart wasn't even in the Canucks' top 120.
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Old 06-25-2013, 04:32 PM   #6093
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General manager Jay Feaster knows just how important this year's draft is to the future of the franchise.
"The importance of this draft is not lost on the organization and it certainly isn't lost on the management of the organization," he said.
In one day, the Flames have the opportunity to change the face and fortunes of the franchise, starting with their highest pick in the process since 1999.
And Feaster could have his sights set on moving even higher.
"I think that the right scenarios, we may be able to do something," Feaster said of the potential to move up in the first round.
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"We at least know which teams are willing to do something, and if they are, what it would take to do that, and I think also which teams aren't willing to do that," he said. "I don't want to call it traction, but I think there is a good understanding which picks might be in play."
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Judging by those quotes I think it's 50-50 whether they keep the 6th or move up.
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Old 06-25-2013, 04:43 PM   #6095
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Please don't blow this pick... I don't care who they draft, but they need to be in the top half of the lineup...
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Old 06-25-2013, 04:45 PM   #6096
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Sounds to me.. like it will come down to who gets drafted 1st and 2nd.. if teams lose out on the player they want, they will look to trade down.
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Old 06-25-2013, 04:56 PM   #6097
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Weisbrod says league bias is just coincidence:
http://flames.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=675096
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ccording to assistant general manager of player personnel John Weisbrod, a player's league has zero influence on whether or not they will become a member of the Flames on June 30th. "If we draft seven guys from the Quebec league this year because that's where they fall or from the Western league or from Europe, then that's where it falls," Weisbrod said. "Europe is probably one of the area where you'd say there's some significant cultural differences that you have to take into account but whether it's high school or college or USHL or OHL or Western league, I put very little stock in the differential."
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Old 06-25-2013, 05:27 PM   #6098
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Bob McKenzie's draft special is on TSN right now

Rankings:
1. Mackinnon
2. Jones
3. Drouin
4. Barkov
5. Lindholm
6. Nichuskin
7. Monahan
8. Ristolinen
9. Nurse
10. Domi

rest of rankings here:
http://www.tsn.ca/draftcentre/feature/?id=9420

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Nichushkin, Gauthier and Morrissey at our picks
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Old 06-25-2013, 05:43 PM   #6100
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^careful Duthie was clear to mention this is not a mock draft... its a ranking of the best players available as voted by NHL scouts
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