[Rumour] Roger Millions hints Cammalleri asked for trade [MRG]

[killer_carlson]

Build into your trade proposals The flames paying a portion of Cammalerri's salary.

Suddenly if he only costs 3 mill next season, budget teams are back in the picture.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

I see the merit in what you're saying, but I agree with FAN. There's always that balance between what the best business decision is, or GM decision which in this case is your point- and what is best for the team. These are critical years in early days development land for Flames prospects and kids trying to make the NHL. Do we need a disgruntled vet slacking and pissy because his wishes were not granted?

In the instance we held onto Cammy until the trade deadline, people have to keep in mind that he would be day-in-day-out influencing the dressing room. He would be a veteran player that young guys look up to. We will have lots of young guys that will be filling the roster learning from guys just like Cammy, and if you decline his request and keep him around I don't think it's good for the team environment, I don't think it sends a good message to players in the system, to UFA's, I think his attitude slides, and I think he carries forward that sense of entitlement so prevalent and plaguing within the Flames over the last few seasons.

If the guy wants out, just do your best to grant his wish and move on, get the best- and fair- value for your team, and really kick this rebuild into high gear. I don't think fans give a rats ass if Cammy is here or not. I think people have figured out what is happening. Even your most casual fan knows that this team is headed in a new direction.

How is everyone so certain you'd get better value at the deadline...? You might, but he also will be pure rental.

Finally, people thinking that Silfverberg is attainable for Cammy might be on acid. Not happening in my opinion.

I'm not convinced best value is at the deadline, I just said the Flames should hold him until the value is highest.

And the whole point was Cammy isn't going to act the way you suggest and poison the development of a young team, if for no other reason because he can't afford to (I doubt he would even if it wasn't critical for him). He needs to play well, and he needs to make sure the coach is playing him fully, and that doesn't happen when you are being a cancer in the room.

The thing is, Cammy knows the end as a Flame is near. He agreed to be traded here, so its not a he hates the town or franchise issue, its situational. That situational issue is that he's likely realizing his career is limited to the number of seasons, and he doesn't want to waste any years, even one on a rebuilding team. All that means is he's like to play on a playoff team this year, so as long as the Flames tell him they will move him (and he'll believe them cause he knows they won't lose him for nothing at the end of the year) he'll be happy knowing he's gonna get moved. And he'll be motivated to up his value in the eyes of a contender, and ensure a good team will offer a contract next year.

Because of all of the above, I can't see how this would go sour, both parties will get what they want if they play nice, being jerky actually hurts both parties including Cammy, so it won't happen.

[FAN]

Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

And the whole point was Cammy isn't going to act the way you suggest and poison the development of a young team, if for no other reason because he can't afford to (I doubt he would even if it wasn't critical for him). He needs to play well, and he needs to make sure the coach is playing him fully, and that doesn't happen when you are being a cancer in the room.

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Because of all of the above, I can't see how this would go sour, both parties will get what they want if they play nice, being jerky actually hurts both parties including Cammy, so it won't happen.

I respect your points, but I wouldn't categorically say that Cammy won't be a bad influence or that not moving him won't be a move that goes sour.

Let's assume that a motivated Cammy is a productive player. That doesn't mean having a player who obviously wants out is good for the team. It's not unlike the Luongo situation in Vancouver. You can have a guy who is a good teammate, productive, and professional, but to say there's no effect on the guys in the locker room having a guy who obviously wants out? Every player on the Flames will know that Cammy wants a trade and he's just bidding his time and players will be wondering why Cammy hasn't been traded.

For what it's worth, Cammalleri's best two seasons have coincidentally come in contract years. Then again, maybe Cammy is just inconsistent. But let's assume that Cammy would be motivated because he's in his contract year, it doesn't mean he'll avoid injuries. Keeping Cammy until the deadline can come and bite the Flames in the ass.

As for Cammy's value, all else being equal, Cammy's value should be the highest at the deadline, although I'm not sure if having a good season will raise Cammy's all that much at the deadline. Cammy is pretty much a known quality with a history of stepping up in the playoffs, and at his age, a bad season will likely be treated as simply a player being stuck on a rebuilding team.

[handgroen]

Perfect opportunity for ownership to eat some contract for a greater return.

Or if you're going to trade the entire contract, Winnipeg could be a good landing spot.
Cammy + 67th for Burmistrov +43rd+61st

add a young project, and a recoup the second rounder you spent getting cammy. The cost is relatively low for winnipeg as well they likely need to spend to reach the floor so the salary is not an issue. and they would be forfeiting essentially one 2nd (48th) and moving down 6 spots with the another, considering they have three 2nds this draft, doesn't seem like they're paying an arm and a leg.

plus it gives the jets a chance to recapture that jokinen-cammy magic

[Voodooman]

This guy has a textbook case of Pavel Bure disease. His one good season was right before UFA, he cashed in, and has been on cruise control ever sense. He's legitimately a 20 goal guy, who's a defensive liability with a questionable work ethic. Unless he gets a full blown case of Bureitis and scores 35 this coming season, he gets $3-4 million at best, and even if he does light the world on fire and score a $6 million deal, I wouldn't want it to be here, as we all know what will be coming next.

Feaster should give him to the first team that offers the negoiating rights to me, a steering wheel cover for the team bus or a mint Young Guns poster.

[puckluck2]

Cammi plus 28th overall pick for another team's top 10-20 pick?

[Calgary4LIfe]

Originally Posted by puckluck2

Cammi plus 28th overall pick for another team's top 10-20 pick?

Would be tough to find a team willing to return a pick higher than 15th - most likely a mid-range somewhat rebuilding team, and they won't give that high of a first for an overpaid but good scoring player with only 1 year left.

Hopefully the Flames can snag another 1st round pick in the 20's (or even one for 2014), and use those combined to climb higher in the draft then if there is a player on board that the Flames really like.

[Stay Golden]

One thing that is certain Cammy will not be the next captain of the Flames. Move him at quickly at the draft the Flames do not need a mopey Cammalleri around the team.
He would be a solid addition to contender's or bubble teams.

[DAN0383]

Maybe we could pry Stefan Noesen out of Ottawa for squid..?

[Roof-Daddy]

Trade Cammy BACK to MTL (new GM) for Leblanc, Kaberle, 36th overall and 55th overall.

Then either compliance buy out Kaberle, or use his cap hit to reach the floor, play him a ton and hope he has a decent enough year to actually have some value as a rental at the deadline.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by FAN

I respect your points, but I wouldn't categorically say that Cammy won't be a bad influence or that not moving him won't be a move that goes sour.

Let's assume that a motivated Cammy is a productive player. That doesn't mean having a player who obviously wants out is good for the team. It's not unlike the Luongo situation in Vancouver. You can have a guy who is a good teammate, productive, and professional, but to say there's no effect on the guys in the locker room having a guy who obviously wants out? Every player on the Flames will know that Cammy wants a trade and he's just bidding his time and players will be wondering why Cammy hasn't been traded.

For what it's worth, Cammalleri's best two seasons have coincidentally come in contract years. Then again, maybe Cammy is just inconsistent. But let's assume that Cammy would be motivated because he's in his contract year, it doesn't mean he'll avoid injuries. Keeping Cammy until the deadline can come and bite the Flames in the ass.

As for Cammy's value, all else being equal, Cammy's value should be the highest at the deadline, although I'm not sure if having a good season will raise Cammy's all that much at the deadline. Cammy is pretty much a known quality with a history of stepping up in the playoffs, and at his age, a bad season will likely be treated as simply a player being stuck on a rebuilding team.

Raise a lot of good points, especially about injuries, you are correct, nothing is risk free.

But, I do disagree, this is nothing like the Vancouver situation. Only reason is, the situation the Flames are in. By all accounts Lou handled this like a pro, but you are right, it likely impacted that team. But that is a team looking to be a contender and win a cup, very different locker room dynamics then what will be present in the Flames room next year. Not sure any sort of "Cammy gate" could have the same type of impact on a young re-building team, situation just isn't the same.

[Fighting Banana Slug]

Just my opinion, but given his contract year and his status as a clear number one on a potentially horrible Flames roster, I think he will produce and be a positive on the team. The bad rep he received in MTL was not because he quit on a bad team, but that he called out the effort of his teammates. I want that on the Flames, as we'll need someone to hold the young guys accountable. Deadline deal would be fine with me, but I strongly prefer keeping him for most of the year.

[Ice_Weasel]

Unless you get an offer you can't refuse now, I think Cammelleri gets traded at the dealine next year. You hope he puts up good numbers in his contract year and becomes sought after at the deadline - probably our best chance to get another first rounder and have two years in a row with multiple firsts.

[Ozy_Flame]

Cammy has to play out his year and hope to get 60+ points, because if he wants a fighting chance at a similar salary, he's got to earn it. That $6 million is a big pill to swallow, and teams are likely going to wait on him until they see he can still put up points in Calgary.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Cammy has to play out his year and hope to get 60+ points, because if he wants a fighting chance at a similar salary, he's got to earn it. That $6 million is a big pill to swallow, and teams are likely going to wait on him until they see he can still put up points in Calgary.

Trades can now involve salary, so I don't see why the Flames wouldn't retain 50% of the cap, giving teams a 1st line LW @ 3M for 1 season. That's a very appealing asset at that price.

[puckedoff]

From a fan's perspective it would be great if they retained salary but management has been very reluctant to retain salary to improve the team in the past so I can't see that changing with Cammalleri.
FWIW I don't think he is the type to be a "locker room cancer", he is a competitive guy and he likes the city so if we keep him until the deadline I am not opposed to that. Our team doesnt have an excess of skilled players right now.

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Trades can now involve salary, so I don't see why the Flames wouldn't retain 50% of the cap, giving teams a 1st line LW @ 3M for 1 season. That's a very appealing asset at that price.

Fantastic. Now try to convince another team that Cammy is going to make a return to 60+ points a season, something he hasn't done in 4 years.

Calgary is not going to get much for him, salary buy or not. I don't see a 1st rounder for him at all, or anything equitable. I see us taking a 2nd at most, and a salary dump that no one else wanted. Something to the extent of Rotislav Olesz and a late 2nd, as an example.

[Flash Walken]

Flames ownership has shown a willingness to spend the cap, but have been so far, totally unwilling to pay a player money to play somewhere else, whether that's abbotsford, europe or for another team.

Can't see Calgary keeping any salary for a player not in the organization.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Flames ownership has shown a willingness to spend the cap, but have been so far, totally unwilling to pay a player money to play somewhere else, whether that's abbotsford, europe or for another team.

Can't see Calgary keeping any salary for a player not in the organization.

Why do you say that? Not saying your wrong, honestly asking cause I'm not sure my thoughts on this. To me, seems like they were willing to burry both Kotalik and Hagman, at least temporarily with the Heat, but fair point they also found ways to move those players eventually.

I also know many were hoping that Stajan would get burried, but I'm not so sure he didn't because on a lack of willingness, I think management might have had a different thought on Stajan's abilities than the coaching staff did.

I could be missing a whole bunch of the picture though. Also, regardless of history, next year could be different though. Team is now in a different mindset and not really pushing up against the cap, might see a different aproach from ownership.

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Trades can now involve salary, so I don't see why the Flames wouldn't retain 50% of the cap, giving teams a 1st line LW @ 3M for 1 season. That's a very appealing asset at that price.

It would depend on the returns for eating half the salary so that another team can have a first line player for cheap. Its pretty safe to say that the direct value of $$ for picks / prospects hasn't been determined yet.

If Cammalleri by himself is worth a 1st+ right now then what is Cammalleri with the Flames taking on half of his salary for the season? Two 1sts?

You would have to think for a team like the Senators they would be willing to pay a significant amount to get Cammalleri's production all year for half price. To them that extra production (and extra flexibility to acquire another significant asset or two) could be the difference between going to the playoffs as an underdog again versus home ice advantage.