[Rumour] Flames listening to offers for Tanguay, Stempniak and Sarich

[DoubleK]

I'd keep Sarich. He is quite serviceable as a bottom two d-man.

[You Need a Thneed]

Originally Posted by opendoor

I can't imagine a team trading a 1st rounder for a 30 year old 40 point winger with 1 year left on his deal. I mean, he had a pretty good year, but the value really isn't there given his production over the last several seasons. The Flames got the 28 year old version for a broken down and overpaid Daymond Langkow.

And moving into the top 4 given the makeup of this draft probably would require an extra 1st rounder.

Teams trade first rounders all the time for productive two way depth at the trade deadline.

Or, trade for him now, get him for the whole year. If Stempniak was being shopped at this year's trade deadline, he would have gotten a first rounder easily. He may have gotten the biggest return of any Flames' trade.

He was on pace for 50+ points over a whole season and was a plus player on a team that was -32 in 48 games. When Stempniak was on the ice, the Flames were +2, when he wasn't on the ice, the Flames were -34. He's making less than 3 million, so pretty much any team could fit him in under the salary cap.

[calumniate]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Thought ELC bonuses don't count towards cap hit in the new CBA?

Means there is no chance Knight has a $3.75 cap hit.

Feaster's been too busy focusing on the waiver clause part of the CBA this year to bother reading up on ELC bonuses

[Miniac]

Originally Posted by Southside

Wow. An official tear down and rebuild.

2014 1st overall here we come.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by You Need a Thneed

Not only do I think it's enough, it's overpayment. Stempniak should be getting a first rounder in a trade, not just a move up of two spots.

Moving up two spots into the elite four in this draft may cost a 1st rounder.

[Bertuzzied]

do you think the Bruins will take our 3 1st rounders for Seguin?

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by Yoho

Take Heatley + sweetener from a high Cap team Minny?

If it was up to me, no. But I'm not a huge fan of Heatley. If you can get a vet on a big contract who would be great to have around the younger guys coming in, that would be my preference.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Bertuzzied

do you think the Bruins will take our 3 1st rounders for Seguin?

Not sure I want to give up all three for Seguin.

IMO Monahan is a comparable player.

[Savvy27]

I don't want to trade Stempniak. He is a solid vet who trains right, works hard, gets hot and wins a couple games a year, and meshes better with young guys than our other vets. I agree that we need some vets and he is the best leader of our current forwards. The benefit of keeping him are that our current prospects will develop better.

[TheGrimm]

If we can move off Tanguay or Cammi for a pick, I would LOVE to take a serious run at Clarkson. I'd consider overpaying him too if the contract length isn't too long, I think he's exactly the kind of player we could use.

[StrykerSteve]

Originally Posted by TheGrimm

If we can move off Tanguay or Cammi for a pick, I would LOVE to take a serious run at Clarkson. I'd consider overpaying him too if the contract length isn't too long, I think he's exactly the kind of player we could use.

He's 29, he'll be 34 before this team is competitive again. No thanks.

Calgary shouldn't be bringing in anyone over the age of 25.

[Dienasty]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Not sure I want to give up all three for Seguin.

IMO Monahan is a comparable player.

Really? Seguin being 2nd overall, playing out of position in the NHL, crazy speed, and has shown he can score 30+ in a single season? You think monahan can do that?

I think you are crazy if you think these two are comparable.

[TheGrimm]

Originally Posted by StrykerSteve

He's 29, he'll be 34 before this team is competitive again. No thanks.

Calgary shouldn't be bringing in anyone over the age of 25.

He's younger than Cammi, and will cost us nothing but cap space (of which it appears we will have plenty). So offering him something shorter term with higher dollars seems pretty low risk to me.

We can't field an entire team of prospects and if veteran players want to play elsewhere we need to find some guys who want to play here.

[Dienasty]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

If it was up to me, no. But I'm not a huge fan of Heatley. If you can get a vet on a big contract who would be great to have around the younger guys coming in, that would be my preference.

Than you don't get a sweetener, because teams like to keep those types of guys around. I don't really know if there is anyone who fits that criteria.

Briere? But he only has 3m in real money left so I doubt there is a sweetener thrown in

Richards? I think they brought in vignauelt to fix him.

Hossa? I don't think they will give anything to get rid of him, because he is still so good.

Not sure if there is anyone else...

[puckedoff]

Originally Posted by StrykerSteve

He's 29, he'll be 34 before this team is competitive again. No thanks.

Calgary shouldn't be bringing in anyone over the age of 25.

I don't think we should sign Clarkson but not signing anyone over 25 years old is a great way to build an Oiler's style loser squad. We do need vets and it is ok to have players eat up cap space now that won't be around when we are re'tool'ed.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Dienasty

Really? Seguin being 2nd overall, playing out of position in the NHL, crazy speed, and has shown he can score 30+ in a single season? You think monahan can do that?

I think you are crazy if you think these two are comparable.

Monahan was the third ranked skater behind only Mackinnon and Jones coming into the season and is probably around 6th in most rankings now.

Monahan had the better 17 year old seasons in the OHL.

Seguin: 21 Goals, 46 assists 67 points, 1.09 PPG
Monahan: 33 Goals, 45 assists, 78 points 1.26 PPG

Seguin had a much better draft season but Monahan did play on what was one of the worst teams in the OHL and had some injury/suspension issues.

Seguin: 48 goals, 58 assists, 106 points, 1.68 ppg
Monahan: 31 goals, 47 assists, 78 points, 1.35ppg

They are similar players. Monahan is just less heralded because he is playing in a stacked draft year and played for a terrible team. Seguin had the better draft season but I would say that their top end potential is similar.

I just don't want to trade three draft picks in a deep draft for a player that isn't a bonafide superstar and that we will need to start paying $5.75 million per year for already. If Chicago (first win), and Pittsburgh showed anything it is that you need to build a strong team for when your young guys are still on ELCs.

[Miniac]

Originally Posted by StrykerSteve

He's 29, he'll be 34 before this team is competitive again. No thanks.

Calgary shouldn't be bringing in anyone over the age of 25.

Same could be said for Hudler and Glencross.

[Superfraggle]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

Sorry, why are we forced to sit a young guy in the pressbox?

There isn't a rule that states you must have 7 D, 6 playing and one sitting. We can have 6 guys with the big club and the 7th guy, can be in the minors, called up when needed.

There is no way they would go with only 6 d-men on the roster and just hope they can call someone up in time if a guy gets hurt/sick/family trouble/etc. That said, it doesn't have to be a young guy in the pressbox, and playing time may certainly be a factor in who they choose to be the #7 vs who is in the minors.

[StrykerSteve]

Originally Posted by TheGrimm

He's younger than Cammi, and will cost us nothing but cap space (of which it appears we will have plenty). So offering him something shorter term with higher dollars seems pretty low risk to me.

We can't field an entire team of prospects and if veteran players want to play elsewhere we need to find some guys who want to play here.

Unless they trade Stempniak, Sarich, Tanguay and Cammalleri, they don't have roster spots to let the kids play. I'd say 3 of these 4 need to be traded.

[CliffFletcher]

Management seem to be serious about getting bigger up front and more difficult to play against. Expect them to throw money at one of Clarkson or Horton. Maybe both. They're not going to let a roster of small 21-25 year olds get manhandled as their introduction to the NHL.