[News] Avalanche to pass on Seth Jones to take forward

[doctajones428]

Gosh effing darnit.

I hope it's all a ruse...

[Itse]

The Avs could just be media friendly here. The media is starving for stuff to write about this late in the season.

It's not like talking about it could hurt their chances of getting their guy.

[devo22]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

Trade Stastny during the summer, perhaps even ROR since it seems he was a 'problem' for them.

they can't trade O'Reilly this summer. After matching an offer sheet for a player, this player can't be traded for a full calendar year, meaning that they can't trade O'Reilly before February 28, 2014. Stastny is the obvious choice for a trade if they draft MacKinnon.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by calgARI

Any team with interest in building a cup contender should take note that Carolina is the only cup winner like ever without a franchise stud dman.

You're assuming Jones is going to be a franchise defenseman. I don't see him that way. I don't see any of the players in this draft as being franchise players TBQH. There are some really good talents available, but there isn't a player that if drafted will turn the fortunes of a team around just by being on the roster. There was a comparison made that had Jones as a Bouwmeester clone if he continues to develop. I actually think that is a pretty good comparison. I don't see that as a franchise defenseman or a franchise player. He'd be a great addition to the team, but not a guy that changes the fortunes of the team or improves it greatly. He still needs a complimentary player to have an effective pairing which a true franchise defenseman would not need. He would improve any player around him and I just don't see that with Jones.

[devo22]

Originally Posted by New Era

There was a comparison made that had Jones as a Bouwmeester clone if he continues to develop.

where did you see that? Just curious, I've never seen that comparison. I have seen quite a number of comparisons that Jones could be a Pronger type, maybe slightly less mean.

If you don't see Jones as a franchise defenseman that's fine, but I have seen numerous scouting reports that would suggest otherwise.

[bluloc]

Why the #### did they announce this. Maybe they are interested in trading down.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by devo22

where did you see that? Just curious, I've never seen that comparison. I have seen quite a number of comparisons that Jones could be a Pronger type, maybe slightly less mean.

http://lastwordonsports.com/2013/04/...yer-profile-3/

If you don't see Jones as a franchise defenseman that's fine, but I have seen numerous scouting reports that would suggest otherwise.

I remember seeing scouts say that the two Johnsons were both going to be franchise defensemen and they both became nothing remotely close to that. Scouts tend to build up players they like and say every player has huge potential while not looking at the massive holes in their games. Jones is not physical and that is going to be his down fall. We'll see if his offensive talents translate and whether he can intimidate the best men in the game rather than a bunch of 15-19 year old boys. It's a huge step up to the NHL and I believe these scouts too over-rate players they have scouted closely.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

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It is not "dumb" for the Avs to "show their hand" like this. Even if they had no intentions of trading the #1 pick, what do they lose by making their preferences public before the draft takes place? They are picking first overall unless THEY DECIDE otherwise. Different from every other team who picks after them, the Avs don't need to worry AT ALL about losing the player they want because of their inability to effectively bluff.

Yeah. People are questioning why they would come out and say this but they are saying this because they can. They hold all the cards and can do whatever they want. There is no negatives because they control everything.

[flambers]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Yeah. People are questioning why they would come out and say this but they are saying this because they can. They hold all the cards and can do whatever they want.

There is no negatives because they control everything.

Avalanche are now run by former players "Sakic & Roy"..

I am curious how talktive Sakic or Roy will be.......

Maybe they are open to move the pick.... or know a team that really wants Mckinnon.... (i.e. the Panthers)

[TurdFerguson]

Wondering if this is a little public games. Maybe the avs are trying to drive calgaryshire offer up by makin them think they won't get Mac at 2. So better pony up for 1. Just a fun thought. More likley, Roy knows Mac well and prefers him.

[bucksmasher]

Originally Posted by Dr. Doom

I don't understand why they would announce this.

probably to bluff other teams into trading up and giving up an asset. You cant go wrong picking 2-4. Then if Colorado needs a big D improvement they can flip a blue chip prospect from this draft for a right now high end D man or two.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by New Era

...I don't see any of the players in this draft as being franchise players TBQH.

This really depends upon how one chooses to define a "franchise" player; a term that is rather fluid and differs considerably from one observer to the next.

There have been suggestions that this will be one of the best drafts since 2003, and that there could be "franchise" level talent all the way into the middle of the first round—again, depending upon how one chooses to define it. When there are this many highly-sought-after draftees available, we should actually be quite surprised to see at least two or three "franchise" players emerge from the whole group.

As for Jones, his lack of physicality and "meanness" does not preclude him from being a franchise defensemen, since not all franchise defensemen are physical defensemen (Lidstrom and Niedermyer come to mind. Not that Jones will be anything like these to HoF defensemen, only the point that the "franchise" label does not conform to a precisely determined set of criteria). I think you should look a little more closely at the comparison made to Bouwmeester in the article you cited. Notice that the writers were also very careful to point out that Bouwmeester never reached his full potential, but that in no way presumes that Jones will suffer the same lower margin of success in the NHL. Further to the point, the two Johnsons' and their failure to meet their potential does not suggest that Jones will follow suit. It's a silly argument.

[loob job]

I think this is a great move by the avs. Everyone was talking how they were going to take Jones, that handcuffed them because of the talented forwards ie MacKinnon that are sitting there. The Avs know exactly what they're doing. The trade market just opened up huge for them. I guarantee Fla is sweating a little because before this announcement they thought MacKinnon would be there and Tampa was thinking Drouin would surely be there and now its no guarantee at all. They may have to move up and the Avs are sitting there thinking, we could drop all the way to fourth and still get one of those three forwards or Jones. They are sitting pretty now, love the announcement by them. Hate it as a Flames fan because the price that everyone is going to offer probably just went up since there are no guarantees unless you're sitting in that one hole.

[WilderPegasus]

Originally Posted by New Era

You're assuming Jones is going to be a franchise defenseman. I don't see him that way. I don't see any of the players in this draft as being franchise players TBQH.

And what players did you see being franchise players leading up to their draft in previous years?

There are some really good talents available, but there isn't a player that if drafted will turn the fortunes of a team around just by being on the roster.

There's about a handful of players in the history of hockey that this might apply to and even then it is debatable.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by loob job

Hate it as a Flames fan because the price that everyone is going to offer probably just went up since there are no guarantees unless you're sitting in that one hole.

Flames aren't going to get MacKinnon, Drouin, or Barkov so really there's nothing to be disappointed about. None of these teams is going to trade back to 6 even of the Flames sweeten the pot with the other two first round picks. It's becoming increasingly apparent that the Flames are likely going to be stuck using their picks which isn't the worst thing in the world by the way.

[Fighting Banana Slug]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Flames aren't going to get MacKinnon, Drouin, or Barkov so really there's nothing to be disappointed about. None of these teams is going to trade back to 6 even of the Flames sweeten the pot with the other two first round picks. It's becoming increasingly apparent that the Flames are likely going to be stuck using their picks which isn't the worst thing in the world by the way.

This. I was never particularly fond of trading all our first rounders for one of the big 3, but I certainly can't fault Feaster for trying. Didn't work, so move on and pick the best guy available. That guy will be our best prospect in years.

All this talk is fantastic, though. I wasn't expecting much fluidity in the top 5, but after that, I think there will be tons of moves/surprises. Bring it on!

[Buff]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

All I know is if Colorado takes MacKinnon or Barkov then they're not being 'intellectually honest'. They'll have 4 skilled centres that should all be in the top 2. Everything they're missing is on the back end. And if this is to allow some pieces to become expendable in order to acquire positions of need through trade, I think banking on another team willing to offer you exactly what you need for a price you can agree on is an awfully stupid way to approach it.

Maybe they are being intellectually honest by not taking Jones. Perhaps they feel that taking one of the top 3 forwards is better way to go. Then they can trade Stastny and/or ROR for a defenseman who is ready to be a difference maker now, not in 4 or 5 years.

[loob job]

I've heard from a very reliable source that Fla. is not high on Jones either, they like the forwards that are available. If i've heard that i'm sure Colorado has too, which would be another reason why they've announced it.

[Yoho]

Originally Posted by loob job

I've heard from a very reliable source that Fla. is not high on Jones either, they like the forwards that are available. If i've heard that i'm sure Colorado has too, which would be another reason why they've announced it.

This is awesome drama, who needs reality shows when you have the 2013 draft

[The Voice of Reason]

Nothing against Jones, but take a franchise center with the first pick if one is available. No one wants to draft E. Johnson again.