The Flames need to look at this draft like the Avs did in 1998. They didn't put all their eggs in one basket. They drafted at 12, 17, 19 and 20, and came away with Tanguay, Skoula, Regehr and Parker. That was a pretty good draft by the Avs and got three guys who played 750 plus games in the NHL. Flames need to stop chasing the superstar at this point and understand that player will come in the next two or three drafts. Get depth while it is available!
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Short of severe overpayment (8th + 16th is not enough), the Flames better not trade down.
We need elite talent. At one point it becomes redundant simply adding depth prospects.
If Monahan (supposedly the guy they want if they stand pat) is gone before 6 and they aren't high on Lindholm why not move down two spots and get the 16th pick? Take Horvat at 8, maybe be able to get Wennberg at 16 plus the other two picks that could be two of Morrissey, Mantha, Domi, Petan, Rychel, Pulock, etc. That would be a phenomenal draft for organizational depth and you would have to think that at least half those guys will pan out at the worst.
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The Flames need to look at this draft like the Avs did in 1998. They didn't put all their eggs in one basket. They drafted at 12, 17, 19 and 20, and came away with Tanguay, Skoula, Regehr and Parker. That was a pretty good draft by the Avs and got three guys who played 750 plus games in the NHL. Flames need to stop chasing the superstar at this point and understand that player will come in the next two or three drafts. Get depth while it is available!
I don't think this gets mentioned enough. The team is going to be worse next year. There is an utter absence of proven NHL talent on this team. Even if the kids develop beyond expectations, the full schedule combined with zero impact veterans is going to make this season VERY rough.
So let's get our depth in the prospect pool. Whether they play for us or not, all of them immediately become assets that can help this team rebuild. Or they can be part of our foundation.
Either way, we win.
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Short of severe overpayment (8th + 16th is not enough), the Flames better not trade down.
We need elite talent. At one point it becomes redundant simply adding depth prospects.
I agree completely. If the Flames are indifferent between Lindholm and Monahan and both are available when they're picking, I wouldn't be opposed to dealing down with Buffalo to get the 8th and 16th and still getting one of those guys. Then packaging the 16th and 28th for Dallas' 10th. That kinda thing.
The Flames need to look at this draft like the Avs did in 1998. They didn't put all their eggs in one basket. They drafted at 12, 17, 19 and 20, and came away with Tanguay, Skoula, Regehr and Parker. That was a pretty good draft by the Avs and got three guys who played 750 plus games in the NHL. Flames need to stop chasing the superstar at this point and understand that player will come in the next two or three drafts. Get depth while it is available!
But that's exactly what they tried to do, they offered all the picks for Lecavalier.
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I sincerely hope the Flames do not trade down. There seems to be a clear distinction between the first 5 picks (Nichushkin included, even with the 'Russian Factor'), and then Lindholm and Monahan.
Depth is always much easier to acquire through trade and FA (and drafting) than it is to find elite talent. I am fine with the Flames trading up in order to get it, but I am not ok with trading down to get depth.
I notice a few posters saying that trading up is the Flames trying to 'accelerate' the rebuild - I don't view it in this light at all. The Flames need to find the best players available in the next couple of years. The rebuild will not take longer or shorter - it will just be more successful with the more talented roster they can assemble. Flames have LOADS of depth already - guys like Backlund, Reinhart, Horak, Wotherspoon and Brodie. Baertschi is the only 'blue-chipper', and possibly Gaudreau and Jankowski as well. That is already better than the Oilers at the start of their rebuild.
The Oilers sucked for so long not so much because of their 1st over-alls weren't so great, but rather because all their other picks seemed to miss, and they didn't manage that club well.
I don't mind trading down the 22nd or the 28th picks, but I would be livid if they traded down 6th. I like Horvat, Domi, etc.., but Monahan and Lindholm in my mind are clearly a step above. Monahan has size and the ability to score while being his team's only legitimate threat all season. He would make a great 2nd liner (and could possibly develop into a really good 1st line center). Lindholm to me seems a bit less likely to have as much success in the NHL (but arguably an even higher ceiling). Horvat, Domi and others just don't have the ceilings that these guys do, and they definitely don't have the floor either.
Also, MacKinnon has been highly touted since before he entered the QMJHL. I think he was already on many radars at the age of 14. Next year, Reinhart has a great chance at going 1st or 2nd (though there may be a few surprises coming up as well), but the consensus is that he is a step below MacKinnon and Barkov as a center. Who knows what he will develop into, but for people saying "We can just grab Reinhart next year", he APPEARS to be a step below MacKinnon at the same age, and there are no guarantees that the Flames will be able to grab him anyways.
You grab elite talent when you can. Good depth players are the supporting cast, and are much, much more frequently drafted, traded and signed as UFAs.
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My guess is that the #Flames will be making a deal for Corban Knight's rights
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Simply put, Knight is a pest and the type of player that opponents hate to line up against. He skates extremely well and has a non-stop motor that takes him up and down the ice. He uses his body, his hands and his intelligence to sustain a constant attack against other team. Knight has the ability to handle the puck in traffic at high speeds, and he has a quick release and is able to get a shot off while in tight quarters. Knight shows great patience and uses his size well to protect the puck or create space in front of the net.
I believe the Flames when they say they aren't trading down. So zero chance of that happening in my mind. They'll take BPA if the guy they want isn't there at their pick. Which could be Nurse, Nichushkin or Monahan/Lindholm. Cannot believe for a second without verbatum from the Flames that Lindholm isn't high on their list. Makes zero sense to pass on a skilled talent like that.
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I believe the Flames when they say they aren't trading down. So zero chance of that happening in my mind. They'll take BPA if the guy they want isn't there at their pick. Which could be Nurse, Nichushkin or Monahan/Lindholm. Cannot believe for a second without verbatum from the Flames that Lindholm isn't high on their list. Makes zero sense to pass on a skilled talent like that.
I agree with you in that it is unlikely to happen. The only thing that makes me question that is the mocks that show Lindholm falling to 8. If Monahan is there, then zero chance of the pick being dealt. Even if Monahan is picked and we are left with our choice of Lindholm, Nurse, Nichushkin, etc., Buffalo may not want to pay the price to slot up and we end up picking bpa. Just because we think Buffalo would want to trade up, they may want to roll the dice and gamble the player they want will be available. Can't see them giving up both firsts, but their first and a second is plausible.
I don't think this gets mentioned enough. The team is going to be worse next year. There is an utter absence of proven NHL talent on this team. Even if the kids develop beyond expectations, the full schedule combined with zero impact veterans is going to make this season VERY rough.
So let's get our depth in the prospect pool. Whether they play for us or not, all of them immediately become assets that can help this team rebuild. Or they can be part of our foundation.
Either way, we win.
We were supposed to tank when we moved Iggy and Bouw, yet we won games.
Yes, likely to be a tough year but the young kids and their energy/enthusiasm might make next year not as bad as everyone thinks it will be.
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I believe the Flames when they say they aren't trading down. So zero chance of that happening in my mind. They'll take BPA if the guy they want isn't there at their pick. Which could be Nurse, Nichushkin or Monahan/Lindholm. Cannot believe for a second without verbatum from the Flames that Lindholm isn't high on their list. Makes zero sense to pass on a skilled talent like that.
Based on what Feaster said in his interviews last week it's a slightly above zero chance. He's talking to teams who are asking us to trade down but he said he's set the price extremely high so much that he said everyone is just throwing their cards in right away.
While I see the logic in picking as many times as possible in this deep draft, it's also impossible to say if we'll be this close to striking distance again of making moves to draft an elite player. We may finish dead last next year and win the lottery... but we may play well enough to end up drafting in the 8-12 range too (especially if the owners are serious about being competitive this year, or at least trying to ice a competitive team).
Midwest USA scout Andrew Weiss checks in with another installment of our Scout Series:
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Aside from the ten players whom had already been selected by NHL teams, the Whalers featured high-end draft eligible Ryan Hartman. For the past two seasons, Hartman has always been a personal favorite of mine to watch because of his playing style.
@SUNMitchell: One source said the #NJDevils are "really into" Halifax G Zach Fucale and LW Hunter Shinkaruk at No. 9 — I can't see Fucale, personally.
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