Feaster to address media today @ noon (June 14)

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

Who in that draft was better in their first 3 NHL seasons? Martin Havlat and than who else? Not all drafts are equal.

wow I did not realize that 1999 draft could have been cancelled and no one would care.. Saprykin was a very good pick when compared to the rest of the class.

So in a draft has more 17 year old players playing at a high level on their CHL team than any draft outside of 2003 and we should take a chance on a guy that might be as good as the Sedin's and have the same development wait - 6 years?

In the 2003 draft the Euros taken in the first round:

#4 Nikolai Zherdev #6 Milan Michalek, #10 Andrei Kostitsyn, #15 Robert Nilsson were picked over simple picks Getzlaff, Carter, Richards and Perry who at 17 were the best players on their Junior teams.

Then there was #35 Konstantin Glazachev, #36 Vojtech Polak, and #39 Tim Rambolt and #44 Konstantin Pushkarev are a reason that Patrice Bergeron and Weber were there at picks 45 and 49.

When you have a chance to take a 17 year old who is the best player on a CHL team you don't have to reach for a Euro-project player.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by oldschoolcalgary

When does the "Blame it Sutter" meme expire anyways?

Once his successor(s) have had the time to draft and develop a new core - a duty that Sutter utterly failed at. So 6-7 seasons after Sutter's dismissal.

[Flash Walken]

I don't have a ton of love for Sutter's tenure as GM, but here are some things for context:

Sutter was not in a position of need to prioritize the draft. Now, Cliff, I know that's potentially guffaw worthy, but hear me out.

I think Drafting is the single most important function of a franchise and greatest indicator of success long term. However, when you have a mature core group and have demonstrated the ability to compete for the Division and potentially do damage in the playoffs, you make moves with the draft as a secondary consideration. Drafting a new core isn't really a priority when you feel you already have one.

No one is faulting the penguins this year for trading some serious picks/assets. You can find fault with the individual deals, sure, but, not the spirit of it. When you have a mature core group and think winning is within your grasp, you do what is necessary to improve your chances. You trade prospects and picks to augment your roster now and deal with the fallout a couple of years later, by dealing pieces from that same core to improve your drafting position.

With the benefit of hindsight we can see that some of those Flames teams, especially the 2009-2010 team, was just not good enough. At the time though, trading 1sts and seconds and thirds for depth that they thought would help their chances in the playoffs is an acceptable direction.

Where Darryl and Jay differ significantly is that Darryl was making trades from the position of being 1st or 2nd in the Division and 5 years in the playoffs. Feaster on the other hand is making deals (or not making them) from the position of being a non-playoff team for 2,3,4 years.

Trading 2nd round picks is one thing if you've been to games 6 and 7 in the first round in consecutive years and feel that you're one or two depth players or one significant acquisition away from getting out of that 1st round.

Trading 2nd round picks after 2 years out of the playoffs so you can make a huge, blunderous free agent offer to bolster a non-playoff team that is clearly on decline is another thing altogether.

Those are serious, fundamental miscalculations, and arguably, none of this rebuild was Feasters idea. It was forced upon him because the franchise player wanted out. If this was a conscious rebuild, Calgary would have accumulated more picks instead of the bare minimum.

The overarching tenure of Feaster is half-measures, blunders and buzz words.

"I don't think trading for late round picks improves a hockey club."

That's coming from the General Manager of a hockey team that is apparently rebuilding. Lard Thurderin' Jeezus, we're going to be in for a long rebuild if that's the attitude.

[djsFlames]

If it comes down to Nurse, Lindholm and Nichuskin, then you are damn well gonna get your #ss to the booth and pick Lindholm. The kid is a beast, you only need to watch his play for 5 minutes to see how great his hands, passing, hitting, skating and shooting are. Not to mention how he can dodge checks and slither his way around defensemen. The only other high end draft pick who does deekes like that is Drouin. And the fact that he has a physical element to his game on top of that is impressive. My only 2 concerns with Lindholm is the north american transition, and that he doesn't always play at center in the SEL. But as a player, he looks like a dynamite pick.

I am, admittedly, on team Monahan if he is available, as the 2-way + size + canadian factor takes the cake for me, personally. But Lindholm is a very attractive prospect nonetheless, and who knows, maybe management could lure him to north america with promises of a real chance at playing in the big league in his first year. Nothing's for sure.

[FlameZilla]

So does this news of an offer for 1st overall make it more difficult to deal with Florida & Tampa? Now everyone & his nan knows what Feaster is willing to give to move into the top 3...

[Poe969]

I think it's a good thing... Florida and Tampa at least know that the flames are open for business and want to move up. I'm happy the team is at least trying for this

[Jacks]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

I don't have a ton of love for Sutter's tenure as GM, but here are some things for context:

Sutter was not in a position of need to prioritize the draft. Now, Cliff, I know that's potentially guffaw worthy, but hear me out.

I think Drafting is the single most important function of a franchise and greatest indicator of success long term. However, when you have a mature core group and have demonstrated the ability to compete for the Division and potentially do damage in the playoffs, you make moves with the draft as a secondary consideration. Drafting a new core isn't really a priority when you feel you already have one.

And Sutter drafteed Chucko.

[Jacks]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

In the 2003 draft the Euros taken in the first round:

#4 Nikolai Zherdev #6 Milan Michalek, #10 Andrei Kostitsyn, #15 Robert Nilsson were picked over simple picks Getzlaff, Carter, Richards and Perry who at 17 were the best players on their Junior teams.

Then there was #35 Konstantin Glazachev, #36 Vojtech Polak, and #39 Tim Rambolt and #44 Konstantin Pushkarev are a reason that Patrice Bergeron and Weber were there at picks 45 and 49.

Revisonist history, I'll take the big CDN Center.

[Psytic]

Originally Posted by Jacks

Revisonist history, I'll take the big CDN Center.

Drafting Monahan was actually his point. I don't think revisionist history applies here.

[FAN]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Those are serious, fundamental miscalculations, and arguably, none of this rebuild was Feasters idea. It was forced upon him because the franchise player wanted out. If this was a conscious rebuild, Calgary would have accumulated more picks instead of the bare minimum.

The overarching tenure of Feaster is half-measures, blunders and buzz words.

"I don't think trading for late round picks improves a hockey club."

That's coming from the General Manager of a hockey team that is apparently rebuilding. Lard Thurderin' Jeezus, we're going to be in for a long rebuild if that's the attitude.

To be fair, Feaster in his tenure as the Lightning GM was one of the worst drafting GM in the NHL, so maybe we shouldn't blame him for preferring to trade away 1st round picks?

Seriously though, Feaster seems to watch the game as if he's a casual fan... a homer. As a guy who had a chance to view the team from an outsider's point of view and a guy that has time to evaluate the team from within, Feaster concluded that his presence and the minor moves he made were enough to get the team into the playoffs? A couple years later and there is no easy fix for the team? Setting a goal doesn't make turn the team into winners Feaster. The best things to happen to the Flames since Feaster became the GM was the moves he failed to make. Can you imagine if the team signed Richards and lost this year's first round pick and ROR to waivers?

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by Psytic

Drafting Monahan was actually his point. I don't think revisionist history applies here.

Thanks .... when there are obvious low risk picks available there is no need to draft a project that might turn into a home run.


last year Jankowski at #21 has grown on me, because there was not a lot of options and rather than waste a pick on Greg Niemisz V2.0 (top potential 3rd line grinder) you may as well just draft on pure long term potential.

If COULOMBE, Alexandre (he was at the NHL Combine, probably on Feaster's invitation) from Stanstead college is picked #22 this year then I have a problem.

[Jacks]

Originally Posted by Psytic

Drafting Monahan was actually his point. I don't think revisionist history applies here.

Oops, read that wrong. Thanks.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

If it comes down to Nurse, Lindholm and Nichuskin, then you are damn well gonna get your #ss to the booth and pick Lindholm. The kid is a beast, you only need to watch his play for 5 minutes to see how great his hands, passing, hitting, skating and shooting are. Not to mention how he can dodge checks and slither his way around defensemen. The only other high end draft pick who does deekes like that is Drouin. And the fact that he has a physical element to his game on top of that is impressive. My only 2 concerns with Lindholm is the north american transition, and that he doesn't always play at center in the SEL. But as a player, he looks like a dynamite pick.

I am, admittedly, on team Monahan if he is available, as the 2-way + size + canadian factor takes the cake for me, personally. But Lindholm is a very attractive prospect nonetheless, and who knows, maybe management could lure him to north america with promises of a real chance at playing in the big league in his first year. Nothing's for sure.

Lindholm's centre in the SEL, from what I hear is his cousin, Jarnkrok. He's a Detroit prospect and is coming to NA this year, so Lindholm should get his opportunity at centre. Having said that I think it would probably be a good idea for him to stay in Sweden another season. Still he would be my second choice after Monahan.

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Since his job has been to clean up Sutter's mess, and start developing our own players, I'm not sure what you expected. We simply haven't had the resources to bring in elite players, not without blowing the future. Not making moves is often the smartest move.

ROR offer sheet? 2nd round pick for Paul Byron? 2nd round pick for Cammalleri deal?

As for "Sutter messes" - how about the Brad Richards albatross contract?

Out with one mess, in with a new?

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

I don't have a ton of love for Sutter's tenure as GM, but here are some things for context:

Sutter was not in a position of need to prioritize the draft. Now, Cliff, I know that's potentially guffaw worthy, but hear me out.

I think Drafting is the single most important function of a franchise and greatest indicator of success long term. However, when you have a mature core group and have demonstrated the ability to compete for the Division and potentially do damage in the playoffs, you make moves with the draft as a secondary consideration. Drafting a new core isn't really a priority when you feel you already have one.

No one is faulting the penguins this year for trading some serious picks/assets. You can find fault with the individual deals, sure, but, not the spirit of it. When you have a mature core group and think winning is within your grasp, you do what is necessary to improve your chances. You trade prospects and picks to augment your roster now and deal with the fallout a couple of years later, by dealing pieces from that same core to improve your drafting position.

With the benefit of hindsight we can see that some of those Flames teams, especially the 2009-2010 team, was just not good enough. At the time though, trading 1sts and seconds and thirds for depth that they thought would help their chances in the playoffs is an acceptable direction.

Where Darryl and Jay differ significantly is that Darryl was making trades from the position of being 1st or 2nd in the Division and 5 years in the playoffs. Feaster on the other hand is making deals (or not making them) from the position of being a non-playoff team for 2,3,4 years.

Trading 2nd round picks is one thing if you've been to games 6 and 7 in the first round in consecutive years and feel that you're one or two depth players or one significant acquisition away from getting out of that 1st round.

Trading 2nd round picks after 2 years out of the playoffs so you can make a huge, blunderous free agent offer to bolster a non-playoff team that is clearly on decline is another thing altogether.

Those are serious, fundamental miscalculations, and arguably, none of this rebuild was Feasters idea. It was forced upon him because the franchise player wanted out. If this was a conscious rebuild, Calgary would have accumulated more picks instead of the bare minimum.

The overarching tenure of Feaster is half-measures, blunders and buzz words.

"I don't think trading for late round picks improves a hockey club."

That's coming from the General Manager of a hockey team that is apparently rebuilding. Lard Thurderin' Jeezus, we're going to be in for a long rebuild if that's the attitude.

/thanked

[MoreDrank]

Originally Posted by Phanuthier

ROR offer sheet? 2nd round pick for Paul Byron? 2nd round pick for Cammalleri deal?

As for "Sutter messes" - how about the Brad Richards albatross contract?

Out with one mess, in with a new?

I checked on capgeek. I can't seem to find Brad Richards' contract on the Flames' books. Am I looking in the wrong spot?

[Max Cow Disease]

With no reasonably appropriate place to bring this up, I'll get this off of my chest here. It has amazed me for almost three years now, the striking resemblance that Jay Feaster bears to "Spike" from The Land Before Time.

[The Voice of Reason]

Originally Posted by MoreDrank

I checked on capgeek. I can't seem to find Brad Richards' contract on the Flames' books. Am I looking in the wrong spot?

Keep that attitude up and Feaster will trade for Richards during the offseason.

The Flames dodged a massive bullet when Richards chose to sign in New York.

[MoreDrank]

Originally Posted by The Voice of Reason

Keep that attitude up and Feaster will trade for Richards during the offseason.

The Flames dodged a massive bullet when Richards chose to sign in New York.

Sure, in hindsight, I'm glad Richards didn't wind-up on the roster, especially with that contract, but it's not as if the Flames were the only other team after him at the time.

People can argue Feaster shouldn't have gone after him in the first place, but it's weird to pin the Richards non-deal on him like it's in the books.

[FAN]

Originally Posted by MoreDrank

Sure, in hindsight, I'm glad Richards didn't wind-up on the roster, especially with that contract, but it's not as if the Flames were the only other team after him at the time.

People can argue Feaster shouldn't have gone after him in the first place, but it's weird to pin the Richards non-deal on him like it's in the books.

How else are you going to evaluate Feaster? Based on performance, he declared that the Flames would make the playoffs and the team misses the playoffs every single year Feaster has been the GM and that's with money to spend. Feaster traded Regehr for cap space to make a run for Richards and did nothing with the cap space except add PLLL. He then acquired Cammalleri, Wideman, and Hudler and the result was that the Flames having the worst finish since when?

The "bullets dodged" only highlights the incompetency of Feaster. It's one thing if the players Feaster targeted would have been great signings/acquisitions in hindsight. It's another when the players Feaster targeted would have turned out to be huge disasters. Feaster has continually made the wrong decisions and the saving grace is that it didn't end up hurting the team because there are other GMs who are just as stupid?