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[WilderPegasus]

Originally Posted by T@T

This is why I don't want either of these guys if Monahan is available,Euro's simply can't make the jump fast enough or are complete busts,AO,Malkin were the only ones to make an immediate impact(no brainers with no competition),Kopitar did after 2 years as did Backstrom but there are far too many examples busts for where they were drafted. (Filitov,Granlund) or a flake like Zherdev.

Yes. Much better to take a guy like Turris instead of a guy like Yakupov or Landeskog.

[PlayfulGenius]

Is there a player in this draft that compares well with Landeskog???

I'd LOVE a player like him on the Flames!!

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by WilderPegasus

Yes. Much better to take a guy like Turris instead of a guy like Yakupov or Landeskog.

Both of your examples are Euros how made the commitment at age 17 to play in the NHL by coming over and developing in the CHL.

Turris on the other hand was similar to the Euros being picked in the top 6 in that he stayed at home and played a lower calibre hockey when he was drafted. He and his family were not committed to him playing in the NHL.

If Barkov, Lindholm and/or Nichkushkin had played this year in the CHL they might be the top pick overall. The risk factor in picking them would be reduced by at least half.

They would have shown that they will do what it takes to play in the NHL. Right now they may be strong characters but the decision they have made is to stay at home and eat Mom's cooking.

When I heard that Cervenka showed up in Calgary at the last minute before training camp and needed an interpreter it was not hard to predict he was not NHL ready..... not as a player but as a person.


The Flames organization is at fault for not getting him over to Calgary the day after they signed him so he could start working at fitting in.


Jamie Mclennan described his brief stint in the KHL in his book. It sounded a lot like Don Cherry's AHL days.... except with guns.

[Sylvanfan]

Originally Posted by WilderPegasus

Yes. Much better to take a guy like Turris instead of a guy like Yakupov or Landeskog.

Those guys were playing in the CHL the year they were drafted though. It is difficult to project players not in the CHL and how they will develop when it comes to the guys who aren't Malkin or Ovechkin.

I wouldn't shy away from Lindholm or Barkov, but I also would want them playing in North America to start the 2014 season.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

I wouldn't shy away from Lindholm or Barkov, but I also would want them playing in North America to start the 2014 season.

Why is that so critical? The Swedish league is fine for development. The Sedins developed there for a year, Loui Eriksson spent a year there after being drafted, Zetteberg spent two years there after being drafted, Ericsson spent two years there after being drafted, Kronwall spent three years there after being drafted, Erik Karlsson spent one year there after being drafted, Berglund spent two years there after being drafted, Alexander Steen spent three years there after being drafted, etc

Don't understand why Barkov or Lindholm can't spend a year developing in Europe, don't see it hurting at all.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by PlayfulGenius

Is there a player in this draft that compares well with Landeskog???

I'd LOVE a player like him on the Flames!!

From what I've read and seen Bo Horvat might be the closest in style.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by PlayfulGenius

Is there a player in this draft that compares well with Landeskog???

I'd LOVE a player like him on the Flames!!

Are you being serious?

Monahan is Landeskog separated at birth brother that plays centre.

Same size.

Monahan born oct 12, Landeskog Nov 23 2 years apart

as 16 year olds playing in the same league:

Landeskog 61 games 22 goals 46 pts 51 PIM 23 pts in 20 playoff games
Monahan 62 games 33 goals 78 pts 38 pim 15 pts in 18 playoff games


as 17 year olds

Landeskog 61 games 36 goals 66 pts 61 PIM
Monahan 58 games 31 goals 78 pts 24 pim

Monahan put up better scoring numbers .... because Landeskog was adapting to the North American game.... More assists because he is a centre.

Landeskog plays a little bit harder as clearly pointed out by the extra PIM.

If Colorado wanted their version of the Sedins they would pick Monahan 1st overall. (or trade down to #6)

[Sylvanfan]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

Why is that so critical? The Swedish league is fine for development. The Sedins developed there for a year, Loui Eriksson spent a year there after being drafted, Zetteberg spent two years there after being drafted, Ericsson spent two years there after being drafted, Kronwall spent three years there after being drafted, Erik Karlsson spent one year there after being drafted, Berglund spent two years there after being drafted, Alexander Steen spent three years there after being drafted, etc

Don't understand why Barkov or Lindholm can't spend a year developing in Europe, don't see it hurting at all.

Well....when is 2014? My calenders show the 2014-15 season being a year away. So that is what I am saying, I will give them one more year there to develop, but after that they need to start playing the North American game.

The more years they play in Europe as they have matured physically, the tougher the adjustment will be later.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

Well....when is 2014? My calenders show the 2014-15 season being a year away. So that is what I am saying, I will give them one more year there to develop, but after that they need to start playing the North American game.

Whoops, misread your post. Yeah I'd want them here for 2014 too! Lol

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Crazy Ricardo strikes again. Monahan is NOTHING like Landeskog, totally different players. Only in your world where you never watch players and only compare stat lines. Landeskog is a skilled powerforward, one of the rare ones. Monahan is a big playmaking centre.

Wait didn't I vow to never respond to this clown's posts again? Crap.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by Goodlad

Just so we're clear, if the Calgary pick at number 6 came up and Monahan was off the board you would rather trade the pick away than draft Barkov?

No I would pick Barkov. I would not trade up to get him over Monahan. It is very unlikely that Barkov will be available at #6.

If comes to a choice between Lindholm, Nichuskin and Nurse I would be very tempted to make the trades for 2 lower first round picks....


I don't think other teams would accept that trade.

[ClubFlames]

LOL @ Monahan similar to Landeskog.

That's like comparing Jarome Iginla to Anze Kopitar.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by ClubFlames

LOL @ Monahan similar to Landeskog.

That's like comparing Jarome Iginla to Anze Kopitar.

or Daniel Sedin to Henrik.

[ClubFlames]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

No I would pick Barkov. I would not trade up to get him over Monahan. It is very unlikely that Barkov will be available at #6.

If comes to a choice between Lindholm, Nichuskin and Nurse I would be very tempted to make the trades for 2 lower first round picks....


I don't think other teams would accept that trade.

And give up the chance to finally draft a projected #1 C in Lindholm? Interesting.

I'm sure someone like Dallas or Columbus would love to move up into our spot to draft Lindholm and give up 2 lower first rounders.

[ClubFlames]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

or Daniel Sedin to Henrik.

Or Brent and Wayne Gretzky.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

Crazy Ricardo strikes again. Monahan is NOTHING like Landeskog, totally different players. Only in your world where you never watch players and only compare stat lines. Landeskog is a skilled powerforward, one of the rare ones. Monahan is a big playmaking centre.

Wait didn't I vow to never respond to this clown's posts again? Crap.

Coming from a guy who thinks the Sedins developed well in Sweden and weren't a disappointment as top 3 draft picks for their 1st 5 year in North America.

Not calling him a Crazy Clown or attacking him personally..... just pointing out a flaw in his logic.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Since his job has been to clean up Sutter's mess, and start developing our own players, I'm not sure what you expected. We simply haven't had the resources to bring in elite players, not without blowing the future. Not making moves is often the smartest move.

I expect the hockey management team to take a pragmatic and realistic approach to team analysis, and the third year in a row out of the playoffs, I expect them to sell depreciating pending free agent assets, not re-sign them to multi-year deals with trade restricting no-trade or no-movement clauses.

I don't expect him to work miracles, but it would be nice if he would stop trading away 2nd round picks and retaining 35 year old 6/7 defensemen instead of dealing them for more picks. More than most, I'm prepared for a long and arduous rebuild, finally it seems to be happening.

[Sylvanfan]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

Coming from a guy who thinks the Sedins developed well in Sweden and weren't a disappointment as top 3 draft picks for their 1st 5 year in North America.

Not calling him a Crazy Clown or attacking him personally..... just pointing out a flaw in his logic.

Who in that draft was better in their first 3 NHL seasons? Martin Havlat and than who else? Not all drafts are equal.

[moon]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Since his job has been to clean up Sutter's mess, and start developing our own players, I'm not sure what you expected. We simply haven't had the resources to bring in elite players, not without blowing the future. Not making moves is often the smartest move.

You're right not moving Iginla and Kipper has made this team much better.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by ClubFlames

And give up the chance to finally draft a projected #1 C in Lindholm? Interesting.

I'm sure someone like Dallas or Columbus would love to move up into our spot to draft Lindholm and give up 2 lower first rounders.

In the mock Draft on CP Bo Horvat went #10.


At the Flames pick for #22 there is a solid list of guys that are top players on their junior clubs at age 17. Usually if a player is in the 3 best players on his junior team as 17 year old he gets drafted in the top 10.

At #29 there will be a very good prospect.

Historically from the most recent drafts that have had enough time to be evaluated the #22 pick does better than #6.



2008 #22 pick Jordan Eberle #6 Nikita Filatov
2007 #22 pick Max Pacioretty #6 Sam Gagner
2006 #22 pick Claude Giroux #6 Derrek Brassard

Is Lindholm a surer thing as a franchise centre than Filatov, Gagner and/or Brassard?