[Rumour] Dowbiggin is reporting a new head of hockey ops

[moon]

Originally Posted by Clever_Iggy

Shrug. Shanahan has proven absolutely zero when it comes to hockey management. I think Yzerman is terrible too but at least he got some seasoning under Holland in Detroit.

There were other, better, more experienced names available - Davidson and Nill namely. Now either the Flames are so unappealing of a franchise that they can't attract experienced talent and have to resort to wild swings at former inexperienced NHLers or upper level management doesn't have the balls to fix a mistake when they have a chance and continue on with status quo.

I think it depends what Shannahan is brought in to do. If as suggested he is head of hockey ops and is the guy that oversees the Flames big picture and hires a GM to make the day to day/roster/drafting etc. moves I think that could be a good move. But if Shannahan is the guy that will be acting as GM then I think it is a poor move and a big risk.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Jacks

Careful what you wish for, we might end up with some KLown running things.

As opposed to the clown show we already have? Don't kid yourself. The Flames have given the Oilers a run for their money as worst organization in the league.

[Clever_Iggy]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Davidson and Nill are hired so why cry over spilt milk? Sure they would have been great but for reasons we will never know it's not going to happen with Calgary. Shanahan hasn't proven anything but King and Co. have proven they aren't up to the task. Time to move on and you either get a retread or a guy that could be a bright new mind. Shanahan has insight to the goings on of the NHL and I don't feel he would be nearly as unprepared as you seem to think.

He might be great, he might be like Nieuwendyk or Yzerman. I hope the former, but I would have hoped for someone that had been groomed and taught in another organization... not as some "business development" role with the NHL and then a disastrous tenure as disciplinarian. IMO, he seems outdated and inexperienced at the same time... but we'll see (if true).

[ricosuave]

Shanahan as president, Burke as GM, Weisbrod as Assistant would be OK with me.

[Clever_Iggy]

Originally Posted by moon

I think it depends what Shannahan is brought in to do. If as suggested he is head of hockey ops and is the guy that oversees the Flames big picture and hires a GM to make the day to day/roster/drafting etc. moves I think that could be a good move. But if Shannahan is the guy that will be acting as GM then I think it is a poor move and a big risk.

Agreed. If he's more of a big picture guy, I can handle it. If it's just another cook in the kitchen, no good...

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Clever_Iggy

He might be great, he might be like Nieuwendyk or Yzerman. I hope the former, but I would have hoped for someone that had been groomed and taught in another organization... not as some "business development" role with the NHL and then a disastrous tenure as disciplinarian. IMO, he seems outdated and inexperienced at the same time... but we'll see (if true).

It's all speculation at this point so I don't want to argue over what may or may not even come to fruition. Right now all we know is King may be out of the hockey ops which is the best news in long time.

[Jacks]

Originally Posted by moon

I remember those 2nds being traded and it being worth it. I'll take trading a 2nd for Kipper over trading one for Byron any day of the week.

Trading a second for Kipper was done a very short time after Sutter left the Sharks and joined the Flames, he was obviously very familiar with Kipper. Was it a great trade, hell yeah, it is a benchmark for future trades, I don't think so.

Don't forget that that the 2nd that was part of the Byron trade was there to fix another one of Sutter's numerous FUps. Sutter was the second worst GM we ever had after Risebrough. Love him as a coach, hate him as a GM.

[moon]

Originally Posted by Jacks

Trading a second for Kipper was done a very short time after Sutter left the Sharks and joined the Flames, he was obviously very familiar with Kipper. Was it a great trade, hell yeah, it is a benchmark for future trades, I don't think so.

Don't forget that that the 2nd that was part of the Byron trade was there to fix another one of Sutter's numerous FUps. Sutter was the second worst GM we ever had after Risebrough.Love him as a coach, hate him as a GM.

No that 2nd was included because Feaster is a terrible GM. No need at all to move Kotalik because the owners showed they were willing to eat money later in the year.

Sutter had his flaws but was lightyears ahead of Button and Feaster.

[Jacks]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

As opposed to the clown show we already have? Don't kid yourself. The Flames have given the Oilers a run for their money as worst organization in the league.

We haven't sunk that low(e) yet.

[keenan87]

Originally Posted by Jacks

Trading a second for Kipper was done a very short time after Sutter left the Sharks and joined the Flames, he was obviously very familiar with Kipper. Was it a great trade, hell yeah, it is a benchmark for future trades, I don't think so.

Don't forget that that the 2nd that was part of the Byron trade was there to fix another one of Sutter's numerous FUps. Sutter was the second worst GM we ever had after Risebrough. Love him as a coach, hate him as a GM.

Second worst?? C'mon now. I think he lost his marbles at the end but there was always something exciting happening.

Tanguay
Cammalleri
Jokinen
Bouwmeester

[Jacks]

Originally Posted by moon

No that 2nd was included because Feaster is a terrible GM. No need at all to move Kotalik because the owners showed they were willing to eat money later in the year.

Sutter had his flaws but was lightyears ahead of Button and Feaster.

That doesn't mean they were willing to eat Kotalik's contract. None of us know but I doubt Feaster was eager the throw away assets if the owners were happy to pay to make the liability go away. I'd take Feaster or Button over Sutter as a GM any day.

[old-fart]

What was Davidson's experience before St. loo again?

Some of you are acting like hiring someone with hockey experience is the worst possible thing this franchise could do. Really, it just makes you look like you want to be a little biatch.

[moon]

Originally Posted by Jacks

That doesn't mean they were willing to eat Kotalik's contract. None of us know but I doubt Feaster was eager the throw away assets if the owners were happy to pay to make the liability go away. I'd take Feaster or Button over Sutter as a GM any day.

I thought he was eager to get the money off the books so he had room to make some terrible FA signings.

And again Feaster gets the bogus owners making him make bad moves. Feaster makes horrible move after horrible move, takes the team into the lowest place it has ever been as a franchise (including young gun days when we didn't have money to compete) and still manages to get people to make excuses for his idiocy. I do give him credit for that somehow he has fooled a lot of fans into supporting him for no reason at all.

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by old-fart

What was Davidson's experience before St. loo again?

Some of you are acting like hiring someone with hockey experience is the worst possible thing this franchise could do. Really, it just makes you look like you want to be a little biatch.

Davidson had no management experience and had spent every season from his retirement up until his hiring in broadcasting.

I think people are forgetting this is for a President position, which can very much be more of a role where is about overseeing everything the franchise does and a good President would allow the heads of each department to do their thing.

[Jacks]

Originally Posted by keenan87

Second worst?? C'mon now. I think he lost his marbles at the end but there was always something exciting happening.

Tanguay
Cammalleri
Jokinen
Bouwmeester

Tanguay - We traded Leopold and 2 second rounders for his negotiating rights.
Cammalleri - He played well here. Keep in mind he was here for 1 year and we traded a 1st and a 2nd pick for him.
Jokinen - I always liked Olli but many didn't.
Bouwmeester - Same as Olli.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by moon

Sutter had his flaws but was lightyears ahead of Button and Feaster.

They were all freakin terrible. Feaster is terrible, Button was beyond terrible and the worst GM ever, Sutter is a great coach but a nightmare as a GM, and Risebrough was a moron. They all sucked.

[Azure]

I don't think anyone honestly knows how Shanahan will do on the job.

I just want Weisbrod to stick around.

[the_only_turek_fan]

1. bruce dowbiggin ‏@dowbboy 5h
   Hearing new head of hockey ops to Flames. Sources say high-profile NHL exec in line to replace Ken King who moves to arena project. (2)
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2. Cam Boychuk ‏@CamBoychuk 5h
   @dowbboy Could it be Burkie?????
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   @CamBoychuk Nope.
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4. Cam Boychuk ‏@CamBoychuk 5h
   @dowbboy damn.... would have been interesting. Colin Campbell moving out of NHL office?
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   @CamBoychuk You're getting warmer...
   
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[Erick Estrada]

So indeed Shanahan. It's a little left field but at the same time I think the franchise could do worse and already has.

[keenan87]

Originally Posted by Jacks

Tanguay - We traded Leopold and 2 second rounders for his negotiating rights.
Cammalleri - He played well here. Keep in mind he was here for 1 year and we traded a 1st and a 2nd pick for him.
Jokinen - I always liked Olli but many didn't.
Bouwmeester - Same as Olli.

At the time, this fan base was ecstatic to get everyone of those players and thought Sutter was a genius.. Not his fault Jokinen and Bouwmeester didn't pan out.