2013 CP Mock Draft -1st Round Completed

[kyuss275]

Leaning toward Adam Erne. Big power forward, plays physical, has speed, puts the puck in the net, and can play on the right side.

[FakenHaken]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

Leaning toward Adam Erne. Big power forward, plays physical, has speed, puts the puck in the net, and can play on the right side.

Thinking the same thing especially when you look at our prospects on the right side. We have potential coming out of the left side, key word potential, but we don't even have potential coming up on the right side.

[PlayfulGenius]

I have yet to see a list where Erne is a available at 22...but even if he's not, then someone picked already will drop...this draft if going to be epic.

It appears the Flames can get a Sven quality prospect at 22... And several players from this poll will have to be available at 28...just awesome.

I go Erne here, possibly Lazar.

[gunnner]

Does Petan get disregarded only cause of his size or is there more to it?

[ricardodw]

Ryan Hartman 5-11 185 120 pim
Jason Dickinson 6-1 179
Adam Erne 6-0 210
Curtis Lazar 6-0 190
Valentin Zykov 6-0 208
Andre Burakovsky 6-1 176
Nic Petan 5-8 165
J.T Compher 6-0 165


Defense

Mirco Mueller 6-3 176
Josh Morrisey 6-0 186
Shea Theodore 6-2 178
Madison Bowey 6-1 195


The BPA on this list is Petan. He will likely be gone by this point in the draft.

As a small player he is much further along than Baertschi was in his draft year.


The Flames just can't draft him as they already have Baertschi, Gaudreau AND Hudler as their long term undersized forwards.

With the 22 pick the Flames would/should pick Zykov but Erne or Lazar would be a great pick as well. Hartman might turn out to be a Prust, Clutterbuck, Marchand, Andrew Shaw sort of player that the Flames need so badly.

5 picks later Mueller and Hartman might still be on the board. If somehow Petan is available at 28 , since the Flames don't have a 2nd round pick they would have to pick him and start looking to move him for a higher 1st round pick next year..... after he leads Canada in scoring at the WJC. (or Gaudreau)


PS. Zykov, Erne or Lazar would be come the largest Flame forward (outside of Monahan) on the current roster that would have a chance at more than 10 min/game icetime.

[icarus]

I'd be tempted to take Morrissey here if he drops to 22. Getting a top C and a top D with our first two picks would be huge and it looks like we'd still be getting another top forward six picks later at 28.

[ah123]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

The BPA on this list is Petan. He will likely be gone by this point in the draft.

As a small player he is much further along than Baertschi was in his draft year.

The Flames just can't draft him as they already have Baertschi, Gaudreau AND Hudler as their long term undersized forwards.

I remember a team 3 hours north of us, using similar logic to draft Pouilot rather than Parise. If Petan is the BPA at that point, they need to take him. Just my $0.02

[Arsenal14]

I'd say Morrissey falling to 22 would be pretty surprising and he's likely the best player available, but I'd still be leaning towards Zykov or Erne just as a better positional fit for Calgary. Lazar and Burakovsky also get some consideration. Zykov gets my vote.

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

The Flames just can't draft him as they already have Baertschi, Gaudreau AND Hudler as their long term undersized forwards.

And by the time that Petan would be expected to break into the roster it is of course 100% guarenteed that Baertschi, Gaudreau, and Hudler will be in the NHL, with the Flames, and for some reason (along with Petan) be at the same time unmoveable.

Of course they can draft him if he's the BPA then he's the BPA, even if you ascribe to some manner of size bias that you can only somehow have 3 players shorter then 6'0 if he's good enough then he is either a moveable asset or makes someone else same (and thus garners value for the Flames). If Petan is the BPA then you take him.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by Parallex

And by the time that Petan would be expected to break into the roster it is of course 100% guarenteed that Baertschi, Gaudreau, and Hudler will be in the NHL, with the Flames, and for some reason (along with Petan) be at the same time unmoveable.

Of course they can draft him if he's the BPA then he's the BPA, even if you ascribe to some manner of size bias that you can only somehow have 3 players shorter then 6'0 if he's good enough then he is either a moveable asset or makes someone else same (and thus garners value for the Flames). If Petan is the BPA then you take him.

Do you draft him at #22?

It is not as though the hypothetical options: Zykov, Lazar or Erne are chopped liver with no upside.


And it is not under 6' It is 5-10 and under. Please provide a reference to a team that has 3 5-10 or smaller players in their organization? Outside of the 2012-13 Flames?

Of course there is a height and weight bias..... it is a physical game.

Right now there are 2 players playing in the Stanley cup finals 5-10 or under... Marchand and Krug...

Hudler has a contract for 3 more years at a $ value no other team wanted to match last year with a larger cap. Which guy do you see the Flames moving between Baertshi and Gaudreau to make room for Petan?

[FlameZilla]

Originally Posted by Tilley

Poll request has been made. Tentative deadline for the poll to close will be Friday at midnight.

Although there are some clear favorites, I do not expect a run away winner like the choice for #6.

There's no way this is as clear-cut as #6.

I can't even really decide. Leaning towards Morrissey now, but Lazar or Erne would be absolute highway robbery with the 22nd pick.

[FlameZilla]

Lazar is a righthand shot & can play C or W. Responsible defensively but is primarily a sniper. I think he's hard to overlook.

Erne, while being a RW/LW is primarily a lefty, and we have no right sided prospects at all.

Small chance Morrissey is available at 28 but no way Lazar or Erne are... Tough choice.

[FakenHaken]

Originally Posted by FlameZilla

There's no way this is as clear-cut as #6.

I can't even really decide. Leaning towards Morrissey now, but Lazar or Erne would be absolute highway robbery with the 22nd pick.

I'm more interested in the poll results here at 22 than I was at 6. I agree this could be a 33.33% Erne, 33.33% Lazar, 33.33% Morrisey.

Now if only the Mods would set up the voting please.

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

Do you draft him at #22?

If he's the BPA then yes.

I'm not convinced that he is or isn't that personally... but if I were convinced that he was the best player available then yes I take him and if I decide that I can only fit a certain number of people of a certain size profile and they're all good assets of roughly equal value then I just move move one and reap value through trade.

It's foolhardy to pass on drafting the best talent available based on a hypothetical profile of what a team 3 or 4 years in the future may or may not look like... back in 2009 was the current Flames squad what you envisioned the team was going to look like? I would wager it isn't and demonstates the futility of longterm roster projection.

Fact is that by the time Nic Petan is ready to play in the NHL (if ever) Hudler is likely gone, Gaudreau may not not make it, and Sven might not develop into the stud we all hope he is. On the off chance they all do turn out and Hudler is still here? Well we now have an NHL worthy surplus asset to trade... found money as it were.

[Fighting Banana Slug]

Originally Posted by FakenHaken

I'm more interested in the poll results here at 22 than I was at 6. I agree this could be a 33.33% Erne, 33.33% Lazar, 33.33% Morrisey.

Now if only the Mods would set up the voting please.

The decision at 22 will be fascinating. I am a big proponent of BPA, but you would have to consider who might be available at 28 as well. Would you rather a Morrisey/Petan or Lazar/Bowey combo? Impossible to know who will be picked 23-27, but I do think it makes a difference if the scouts feel there are 5-6 legit F or D first round-grade prospects at 22. You might rightly pick the position which you feel is more scarce.

[djsFlames]

Based on most rankings, the BPA might be Lazar.

But if we're looking to pick the best sniper, you'd have to go Petan or Erne.

[FakenHaken]

Originally Posted by Fighting Banana Slug

The decision at 22 will be fascinating. I am a big proponent of BPA, but you would have to consider who might be available at 28 as well. Would you rather a Morrisey/Petan or Lazar/Bowey combo? Impossible to know who will be picked 23-27, but I do think it makes a difference if the scouts feel there are 5-6 legit F or D first round-grade prospects at 22. You might rightly pick the position which you feel is more scarce.

Correct! For fun check out the 1971 Draft year for some fun. The only reason I point to this year is that I had listened to Larry Robinson talk about his draft year where he went 20th overall. He said now before you get excited Montreal had 3 picks before they picked me.

Guy Lafleur, Chuck Arnason, Murray Wilson.

Now knowing what we know today with Larry being in the HOF and the other two also rans. That the Montreal Canadians had two things going for them..... Luck and they had a pretty good idea that that Big Bird would be available to them in the 2nd round at 20.

So your point is valid maybe you have a pretty good idea that Petan or Morrisey will slip to 28 even if they are BPA at 22 I really don't know. Of course luck plays into this a whole bunch but this is why I'm sure the Flames brass are trying to determine where each player is likely to go.

Kind of neat draft a few HOF's in that draft.

[SuperMatt18]

Think I go with Lazar here.

Size, speed, hockey sense, and plays a 200 ft game.

[Robbob]

Wasn't Erne the player that Calgary and another team were the only ones that did not interview him at the combine?

[Canada 02]

Originally Posted by Robbob

Wasn't Erne the player that Calgary and another team were the only ones that did not interview him at the combine?

28 teams interviewed him at the combine. Pitt and Dallas did not