Flames 2013 Draft Discussion

[nik-]

Originally Posted by Robbob

I think the Erixon trade has to be considered great considering the circumstances. Turning him into Horak, Wotherspoon, and Granlund I think was a home run. This is one of the things that makes me think he can GM.

Regarding Bou and Iginla I think time will tell for sure, but trading bou and taking no salary back was pretty big. Adding the 22nd pick, Cundari and Berra is looking like a good return. The Iginla trade is what it is because there was only one team so I don't fault him on that at all. I think many preferred the Boston trade but it is what it is. I don't think Hanowski will be an every day NHLer and I don't know what to think about Agostino, so it boils down to the 28th pick.

When ever I think of the return for Iginla I remind myself that Wayne Gretzky was traded to STL at the same age and the return was similar.

I disagree with the bolded. Why is that a positive for a team entering a rebuild? If anything it hurt the return along with not eating some of his salary, which is another issue altogether and doesn't seem to be an option with ownership.

[JiriHrdina]

Hudler: Good
Joey Mac: Good, both the original acquisition and the new contract.
Langkow for Stempniak: Good
Stempniak contract: Good

[nik-]

I had forgotten those. Does that bring us to 50/50?

[dammage79]

Cammy for Bourque and Ramo= Great.

Trading away a free acquisition in Comeau for anything more than a 7th round pick = good

I can see 50/50 honestly. Not sure anything less than that is a fair assesment. And I am sure people will come in and count the near misses against Feaster and company even though they didn't happen.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Cammy for Bourque and Ramo= Great.

Great is pretty excessive for that deal no? Two teams trade each other bad contracts and we paid a 2nd and a prospect for an unproven goalie and a 5th.

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by nik-

I disagree with the bolded. Why is that a positive for a team entering a rebuild? If anything it hurt the return along with not eating some of his salary, which is another issue altogether and doesn't seem to be an option with ownership.

That depends on what the Blues were offering the Flames to eat salary. If all they were willing to do was give the Flames the guaranteed 2013 pick or maybe throw in a second round pick then the Flames probably passed on the idea because it wasn't worth $3M+ in cash to help out a conference rival's salary cap situation.

Cap space and money are assets that are going to have pretty significant value this summer as the salary cap goes down. If the Blues were not offering much for those assets then I am glad that the Flames saved them to be used this summer instead.

Hopefully the Flames can use their salary cap and willingness to spend to the cap to acquire some bad contracts with some significant picks and prospects attached to them.

[Stay Golden]

Originally Posted by nik-

Wideman: average now, going to be bad by the end of that contract.
Babchuk: bad
Regehr trade: not good, and yes I consider the 2nd/Kotalik as all part of this trade
Erixon trade: Good to great considering the circumstances
Trying to sign Comeau for two years: horrible
Modin: bad, but it was a 7th
McGratton: made some fans happy, did nothing to the performance - neutral
Tanguay Signing: horrible term, clear from the beginning.
Glencross contract: great
Cervenka: fine, bringing him over for the wrong position is concerning

Left out the huge deals of J-Bo and Iginla because we need to see what we gather from them. The picks are good, Cundari looked not bad, Hanowski looked about 100 miles from an NHL'er.

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

Hudler: Good
Joey Mac: Good, both the original acquisition and the new contract.
Langkow for Stempniak: Good
Stempniak contract: Good

that is close to the full picture the good and the bad with what the Flames management has done since Sutter.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by nik-

Great is pretty excessive for that deal no? Two teams trade each other bad contracts and we paid a 2nd and a prospect for an unproven goalie.

Personal opinion I suppose as I disliked Bourque from the get go. Add to that, that Cammy was a personal favorite when he was here for that year and an overall fan favorite. Bringing him back was a glorious feeling especially at the expense of Rene Bourque. Ramo may yet be unproven but the second and Holland is a good trade. Holland was going to be a squandered asset as he wouldn't sign and the second is yet to be determined.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Cammy for Bourque and Ramo= Great.

Trading away a free acquisition in Comeau for anything more than a 7th round pick = good

I can see 50/50 honestly. Not sure anything less than that is a fair assesment. And I am sure people will come in and count the near misses against Feaster and company even though they didn't happen.

If Ramo comes in and is a sold backup then i think Feaster wins that trade. We will find out soon.

Not sure how you can put Comeau being traded at the deadline as good? That is what any manager would do when the team is out of it. Also Feaster wanted to sign him to a 2 year deal. We would probably still have Comeau if not for him wanting a one year deal.

I would also add the re-signing of Sarich in the bad column for Feaster. A 2 year deal with a NMC ?

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

If Ramo comes in and is a sold backup then i think Feaster wins that trade. We will find out soon.

Not sure how you can put Comeau being traded at the deadline as good? That is what any manager would do when the team is out of it. Also Feaster wanted to sign him to a 2 year deal. We would probably still have Comeau if not for him wanting a one year deal.

I would also add the re-signing of Sarich in the bad column for Feaster. A 2 year deal with a NMC ?

The NMC on Sarich is pretty much useless as Sarich said he will go anywhere to play. Getting rid of Comeau is good no matter the circumsatances.

Ramo and Berra get a full season sharing duties before I judge them. But I will have high hopes that one or both turn into something. 26 is a great age for a goalie to blossom.

[Roof-Daddy]

Ahem, DRAFT discussion?

[Robbob]

Originally Posted by nik-

I disagree with the bolded. Why is that a positive for a team entering a rebuild? If anything it hurt the return along with not eating some of his salary, which is another issue altogether and doesn't seem to be an option with ownership.

I guess it may be premature to call it a positive until the we see the results of this off season. If the flames walk the talk and take advantage of people cap issues then it will be because of not taking salary back previously.

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

Not sure how you can put Comeau being traded at the deadline as good? That is what any manager would do when the team is out of it. Also Feaster wanted to sign him to a 2 year deal. We would probably still have Comeau if not for him wanting a one year deal.

I believe the point is that we acquired Comeau off of waivers for nothing. Trading him for something/anything is a "great" move because we are basically acquiring that thing for free.

[dammage79]

My bad, got sucked in. Flames.com are doing interviews with the Calgary born kids who might go in the first round. Shinkaruk, Morrisy and Klimchuk.
Also, Kriten Hallett is a total smoke show....Still....


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[djsFlames]

Could definitely see them taking Morrissey.

Shinkaruk, unless we pickup a 10-15 pick through trade, not happening.

[sureLoss]

Sabres Director of Amateur Scouting admits Buffalo is talking to the Avs about 1st overall pick:
http://www.trendingbuffalo.com/sport...for-top-pick/#

[IamNotKenKing]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

If Ramo comes in and is a sold backup then i think Feaster wins that trade. We will find out soon.

Not sure how you can put Comeau being traded at the deadline as good? That is what any manager would do when the team is out of it. Also Feaster wanted to sign him to a 2 year deal. We would probably still have Comeau if not for him wanting a one year deal.

I would also add the re-signing of Sarich in the bad column for Feaster. A 2 year deal with a NMC ?

You cannot, or at least should not, look at it like that. We got rid of Comeau and got something for him, which is good. Whether everyone, anyone, or no one would have or could have done the same is irrelevant. Look at what he did, and was it good or not.

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Sabres Director of Amateur Scouting admits Buffalo is talking to the Avs about 1st overall pick:
http://www.trendingbuffalo.com/sport...for-top-pick/#

I think it would take a monster offer from the Sabres to get from their current position into the top 3. I would be stunned if the Avs didn't keep the first overall pick and walk away with Jones. Its just too good of a fit between BPA and team need.

[dammage79]

I don't know, maybe Buffalo is willing to part with the Eight pick, next years first and say Vanek. COL would do that deal I think. Buffalo also has Minnesota's pick this year too so maybe they have the assets to do the deal COL is looking for.

[Canada 02]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Sabres Director of Amateur Scouting admits Buffalo is talking to the Avs about 1st overall pick:
http://www.trendingbuffalo.com/sport...for-top-pick/#

Myers, Grigorenko and a pick?