Doug Armstrong: Blues will match offer sheets for all RFAs

[3 Justin 3]

I know offersheeting Pietrangelo would mean we lose 2-4 of our 1st rounders, but if Feaster pulled it off and he was a Flame, even though we'd lose all those 1sts I still wouldn't be too pissed.

He is a damn good defenseman. Potentially losing out on McDavid though would be a tough gamble.

No way St. Louis doesn't sign Pietrangelo and I don't see Pietrangelo making less than $7M a year.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by neo45

Still makes sense to offer sheet Tanev - 10mil for 3 years

They'll likely match but if they don't it's a steal, and if they do match then you made a division rival who is in cap trouble give a big contract to a guy who hasn't played 100 games yet.

I don't think it would take Gillis very long to match that offer though

I've been advocating this for a while. It'd be like having two Brodies. Tanev is fairly solid but burried behind Casual Kevin Bieksa and the rest.

Offering 3 mil per 2 years on Tanev, if matched, would seriously limit the Canucks's ability to fill out the rest of their roster. The Canucks are in bigger cap trouble than people think:

1) It's likely that Booth cannot be bought out due to injury.
2) Whoever takes Luongo, won't do so without sending some cap back. Then they'll have to sign a replacement backup goalie. You're not looking at much cap relief there at all.

[d_phaneuf]

it's been over multiple times but here it goes again

right now their cap space is 0

minus 5.33 for Luongo (if they get a bad contract back, it's getting bought out)
minus 4.2 for Ballard (either buyout/trade/buyout a trade etc.)

suddenly they now have 9.5m in cap space for 4f, 2d, 1g

assuming at least 4 of those player are at 800k

that leaves 6.3m for 3 players

they are not in cap trouble, without a buyout or buyouts than yes they would be, but with them they are not

Tanev isn't going anywhere, Mason Raymond is FULLY available though

[PlayfulGenius]

That's fine, but still doesn't mean it's a bad idea to help make sure the Canucks have to overpay a bit to keep Tanev... I think it's a good move, potentially... I think those types of moves can backfire in future years though when the tables turn.

[d_phaneuf]

Originally Posted by PlayfulGenius

That's fine, but still doesn't mean it's a bad idea to help make sure the Canucks have to overpay a bit to keep Tanev... I think it's a good move, potentially... I think those types of moves can backfire in future years though when the tables turn.

ya someone could do that potentially, by the time it hurts though I don't think the cap will matter

revenues were great this year so far, I imagine the cap is back up close to 70 next season as well, so it won't be much of an issue

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by diane_phaneuf

it's been over multiple times but here it goes again

right now their cap space is 0

minus 5.33 for Luongo (if they get a bad contract back, it's getting bought out)
minus 4.2 for Ballard (either buyout/trade/buyout a trade etc.)

suddenly they now have 9.5m in cap space for 4f, 2d, 1g

assuming at least 4 of those player are at 800k

that leaves 6.3m for 3 players

they are not in cap trouble, without a buyout or buyouts than yes they would be, but with them they are not

Tanev isn't going anywhere, Mason Raymond is FULLY available though

I still think this is just your thought and not what has been speculated by most media from Vancouver. You are trying to tell us that Booth was never a consideration for a buyout before his injury? I don't buy it. The buyout was made for a player like Booth. A player who signed a big contract, who's value has depreciated every year since he signed it, and still has term left with a hefty price tag. In the last 2 seasons he has played 50% of the games in total, and his point production was down before he even got to Vancouver.

[Jacks]

Originally Posted by diane_phaneuf

suddenly they now have 9.5m in cap space for 4f, 2d, 1g

assuming at least 4 of those player are at 800k

that leaves 6.3m for 3 players

they are not in cap trouble, without a buyout or buyouts than yes they would be, but with them they are not

Tanev isn't going anywhere, Mason Raymond is FULLY available though

Haven't verified those numbers but if you give 3M to Tanev then the math changes a lot. Now you need to sign 4 players at 800K and you have 3.3 for 2 other players. That doesn't leave much wiggle room.

Not saying we should do it but there is a chance of it working and if not it screws the Canucks a bit more.

[Sylvanfan]

Come on MacTavish, offer Chris Stewart 40 million for 5 years.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by diane_phaneuf

it's been over multiple times but here it goes again

right now their cap space is 0

minus 5.33 for Luongo (if they get a bad contract back, it's getting bought out)
minus 4.2 for Ballard (either buyout/trade/buyout a trade etc.)

suddenly they now have 9.5m in cap space for 4f, 2d, 1g

assuming at least 4 of those player are at 800k

that leaves 6.3m for 3 players

they are not in cap trouble, without a buyout or buyouts than yes they would be, but with them they are not

Tanev isn't going anywhere, Mason Raymond is FULLY available though

A few things:

1) They aren't likely to more Luongo without taking cap hit back. Backup goalies cost 1.5 mil or so.

2) Schroeder is already making 1.025 mil.

Put those numbers in (assuming no take back for Luongo) and you have 7 mil for 2 d and 3 forwards. This is with Corrado in the lineup. Throw Tanev in for 3 mil and you are looking at 4 mil for 4 players. This line-up already has Corrado, Schroeder, and Sestito as full time NHLers. All of whom are fringe NHLers and you're talking about adding 4 more guys at league minimum.

The Canucks are "win-now" team near the end of their window. They can't afford to have 7 journeymen and fringe NHLers in their lineup.

[chalms04]

I just don't see Tanev fitting in our lineup when we already have a logjam in goal.

Spoiler!

[madmike]

Of course he's going to say that. He has to try to scare potential suiters away. Realistically they can't match them all if other teams bid.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by PlayfulGenius

That's fine, but still doesn't mean it's a bad idea to help make sure the Canucks have to overpay a bit to keep Tanev... I think it's a good move, potentially... I think those types of moves can backfire in future years though when the tables turn.

I don't mind the Flames screwing over the Canucks but I'm not high on Tanev like Canucks fans and knowing our luck the Flames would end up getting stuck overpaying for him.

[spuzzum]

Tanev would be a great fit with Brodie and having proven youth and talent on the back end is an excellent way to progress the re-build.

Offer exactly $3,364,391 over 2 or 3 years and see where it leads us. We have the cap space to be flexible and creative in many ways.

[d_phaneuf]

Originally Posted by blankall

A few things:

1) They aren't likely to more Luongo without taking cap hit back. Backup goalies cost 1.5 mil or so.

2) Schroeder is already making 1.025 mil.

Put those numbers in (assuming no take back for Luongo) and you have 7 mil for 2 d and 3 forwards. This is with Corrado in the lineup. Throw Tanev in for 3 mil and you are looking at 4 mil for 4 players. This line-up already has Corrado, Schroeder, and Sestito as full time NHLers. All of whom are fringe NHLers and you're talking about adding 4 more guys at league minimum.

The Canucks are "win-now" team near the end of their window. They can't afford to have 7 journeymen and fringe NHLers in their lineup.

oh ya I agree, which is why I am in the position of moving Edler for a young forward (i.e Couturier +) or Bieksa (although the value would be less)

opens up cap space, fills a position they need, and their defense is now the strength that losing a dman (except Hamhuis or Garrison) doesn't hurt a lot

if they did a trade like the Edler one, they could then either sign another forward, or move for one in a trade, which rebuilds the 3rd line

their biggest need this offseason is 3 top 9 forwards

[d_phaneuf]

and I think the backup has to be Eddie Lack next year, he's on a one way and his cap hit is 750k

[SebC]

Doug Armstrong can say whatever he wants about matching any offer, but it's blatantly not true. This statement doesn't change anything at all. A team attempting an offer sheet will still attempt it.