Flames 2013 Draft Discussion

[nik-]

I now unreasonably want the Flames to trade for pick 5 while retaining 6 and draft both Lindholm and Monahan. Then everyone will be happy.

[dammage79]

We just need one of Barkov/Lindholm or Monahan. One will get to us. Keep the Faith!

[Machiavelli]

Jones would never make it to five.

[cowtown75]

Originally Posted by Machiavelli

Jones would never make it to five.

So you think anyone just picks Jones under Colorado even if there isn't a dire need on their team for a really good defenceman just because he is rated high ? regardless of teams needs ?

[Machiavelli]

Originally Posted by cowtown75

So you think anyone just picks Jones under Colorado even if there isn't a dire need on their team for a really good defenceman just because he is rated high ? regardless of teams needs ?

Pretty much, yeah.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by cowtown75

Call me crazy, but I think Jones is gonna fall down the rankings in the draft. Here is what I can see happening for the top 5 :

1) Colorado- MaKinnon (Too good of a foward and possible franchise player)
2) Florida- Drouin (Also is too good of a foward and needs scoring fowards)
3) Tampa Bay- Nichushkin (One of the teams to have serious interest as with Nashville)
4) Nashville- Barkov (If Nichushkin is gone- they need scoring and got Weber)
5) Carolina- Jones (They get their franchise D-man)


Edit- My reasoning is this. Colorado should take Jones. They need a Franchise D-man but MacKinnon may be too good to pass up on and the other 4 teams under Colorado are semi-set on D and have more or a need for scoring. Florida has Gudbransson, Tampa has Hedman, Nash has Weber, and Carolina is weak in the #1 D spot. Just a thought.

Each of those picks is plausible. Unlikely that he falls to 5, but the above could happen (and crazier things have happened before)

[cowtown75]

Originally Posted by Machiavelli

Pretty much, yeah.

oh, okay then.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by cowtown75

I know I'm gonna regret this, but why ?

I could see why the Av's go with MaKinnon, and Flordia with Drouin, but i can't see Tampa not taking Jones. Tampa has horrible defence.

[3 Justin 3]

lol @ Florida, Tampa, Nashville and Carolina being even semi-set on D.

Tampa has one of the worst defense in the league. Flordia isn't that far behind them. Nashville has only Weber and a bunch of scrubs (though they aren't a bad d-crop), Carolina has probably the worst in the league. Colorado's is a joke as well.

Of all these teams, Florida and Nashville are the only 2 of the 5 who actually can't score. Colorado can't because their coaching was pathetic.

[the2bears]

Originally Posted by cowtown75

So you think anyone just picks Jones under Colorado even if there isn't a dire need on their team for a really good defenceman just because he is rated high ? regardless of teams needs ?

One team under Colorado might draft for position, but 3? I don't see it.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by cowtown75

Call me crazy, but I think Jones is gonna fall down the rankings in the draft. Here is what I can see happening for the top 5 :

1) Colorado- MaKinnon (Too good of a foward and possible franchise player)
2) Florida- Drouin (Also is too good of a foward and needs scoring fowards)
3) Tampa Bay- Nichushkin (One of the teams to have serious interest as with Nashville)
4) Nashville- Barkov (If Nichushkin is gone- they need scoring and got Weber)
5) Carolina- Jones (They get their franchise D-man)


Edit- My reasoning is this. Colorado should take Jones. They need a Franchise D-man but MacKinnon may be too good to pass up on and the other 4 teams under Colorado are semi-set on D and have more or a need for scoring. Florida has Gudbransson, Tampa has Hedman, Nash has Weber, and Carolina is weak in the #1 D spot. Just a thought.

I would counter with this. Having one notable or potential top pairing defenseman doesn't mean you're set on defense. Very few teams in the league are set on defense to the point where you'd consider passing on Jones near the top of the draft.

If COL takes a forward I'd be surprised if Florida didn't take Jones. If Florida didn't take Jones I'd be shocked if Tampa didn't. Don't see any way he slips out of the top 3. Even if those teams didn't want him they'd probably get some insane trade up offers.

So yeah. The chance of Jones slipping out of the top 3 is pretty much zero IMO. Most likely he goes 1st or 2nd.

[Commandant]

Pavel Buchnevich, a talented Russian Forward, who would go higher if not for being signed for two more years in the KHL.



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[TurdFerguson]

Originally Posted by cowtown75

Call me crazy, but I think Jones is gonna fall down the rankings in the draft. Here is what I can see happening for the top 5 :

1) Colorado- MaKinnon (Too good of a foward and possible franchise player)
2) Florida- Drouin (Also is too good of a foward and needs scoring fowards)
3) Tampa Bay- Nichushkin (One of the teams to have serious interest as with Nashville)
4) Nashville- Barkov (If Nichushkin is gone- they need scoring and got Weber)
5) Carolina- Jones (They get their franchise D-man)


Edit- My reasoning is this. Colorado should take Jones. They need a Franchise D-man but MacKinnon may be too good to pass up on and the other 4 teams under Colorado are semi-set on D and have more or a need for scoring. Florida has Gudbransson, Tampa has Hedman, Nash has Weber, and Carolina is weak in the #1 D spot. Just a thought.

Without getting to much into how unlikely it is that Jones falls to 5...anyone that has watched Gudbrandson in the past 2 years will tell you that FLA is anything but 'set' on D. His development curve will be long and maybe he still gets to a top pairing guy (I would be shocked) but honestly, he has been absolutely terrible so far in the NHL. If Jones is there at 2 I believe FLA is all over him.

[bubbsy]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

I would counter with this. Having one notable or potential top pairing defenseman doesn't mean you're set on defense. Very few teams in the league are set on defense to the point where you'd consider passing on Jones near the top of the draft.

If COL takes a forward I'd be surprised if Florida didn't take Jones. If Florida didn't take Jones I'd be shocked if Tampa didn't. Don't see any way he slips out of the top 3. Even if those teams didn't want him they'd probably get some insane trade up offers.

So yeah. The chance of Jones slipping out of the top 3 is pretty much zero IMO. Most likely he goes 1st or 2nd.

i agree, i'd be shocked to see jones slip past 2.

That being said, even a team like tampa, when they look at that 09 draft, do you think they would have still taken hedman over duchene, kane, schenn? Would that tweak the way they, or any top 3 picking team, would tackle this draft?

[saillias]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

i agree, i'd be shocked to see jones slip past 2.

That being said, even a team like tampa, when they look at that 09 draft, do you think they would have still taken hedman over duchene, kane, schenn? Would that tweak the way they, or any top 3 picking team, would tackle this draft?

Yeah likely. Hedman is slowly turning into the defenseman he was touted to be. Now E Johnson is another story

[MissTeeks]

Weisbrod looking long-term as Flames prepare for NHL Entry Draft
http://www.calgaryherald.com/sports/...089/story.html

Don’t get John Weisbrod wrong. He does want the Calgary Flames to grab the finest player available.
The talent pool, by all accounts, is deep for the National Hockey League’s draft June 30 in New Jersey. Plus, the Flames get the sixth holler.
But that doesn’t mean they’re banking on a difference-maker for 2013-14.
“I don’t put any stock at all into somebody playing here next year,” Weisbrod, assistant general manager of the Flames, said Thursday afternoon. “If we’re thinking that the way to make next year’s team better is through this draft, then we’re in big trouble, right? Even when guys do play in their first year, they very rarely are ready to create winning for an NHL team. They’re 18-, 19-year-old kids. If we choose a guy that’s able to play, that’s great. If we choose guys that are going to take more time, that’s fine, too.
“One thing we know, we’re not going to be sitting here at the end of next year and saying, ‘Oh, thank gosh, we drafted so-and-so because that made our season productive, our team better.’ If you look at it like that — that short-term response — then that causes trouble. That’s the wrong way to look at it.
“If one guy can step in next year, but another guy is going to take two years . . . and he’s going to be a better player, it’s foolish to take the short-term solution.”

The Flames grilled more than 60 teens, only a few more than last year.
“It’s the part that I value — the interaction,” Weisbrod said of the 20-minute sessions. “It’s not a science, obviously, but I always find it useful. We try to get a little insight into how they look at the world, what makes them tick . . . to add a little context to what you see on the ice, what you observe in them as players.”
Weisbrod wanted to nudge the prospects out of their comfort zone. Instead of getting pat responses from pat questions, the Flames were curious about non-hockey-related matters.
“If all you do is push buttons and get regurgitated, pre-planned answers,” he said, “you’re really not accomplishing anything.”
So, for instance, the Flames asked kids what their friends — not their teammates — would say about their character. They also asked kids not if they loved hockey, but what, precisely, is the sport’s appeal.
“We were careful about the scope of our questions,” said Weisbrod. “We asked questions that we knew would be unique to force a guy to think on his feet. You want them to express themselves in an authentic way. I felt it went great.”

While a superbly conditioned athlete speaks to dedication and discipline, it also hints at a potentially maxed-out player.
“He’s already physically dominant . . . so it lowers his ceiling a little bit in terms of how much growth he still has left,” said Weisbrod. “Sometimes if I watch a guy on the ice and he’s a great player, then his tests at the combine are bad — he hasn’t learned to work out yet — I actually get more excited about that. Because then you think, ‘Boy, if we ever get this guy stronger,’ he’s really going to be something.
“I can’t say that I put a lot of stock into the physical testing.”

[VladtheImpaler]

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Our management sure talks a great game... Yet, when you see their deeds... buffoons.

[HerbalMagic]

Originally Posted by VladtheImpaler

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Our management sure talks a great game... Yet, when you see their deeds... buffoons.

I'd say they've done pretty well drafting the last couple years...

[nik-]

Originally Posted by HerbalMagic

I'd say they've done pretty well drafting the last couple years...

Perhaps, but that's an assumption.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by VladtheImpaler

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Our management sure talks a great game... Yet, when you see their deeds... buffoons.

Once again, same talent evaluators that re-signed Babchuk and sarich with NTCs, comeau, cervenka, henrik karlsson, sent horak to the minors, built the team around iginla until he forced a trade...

EE said it, huge red flag going forward.