Hey, finally! Hope they're messaging isn't such a mess anymore (probably not though - it looks like Microsoft has cancelled their post E3 media roundtable event and are also starting to cancel 1 on 1 interviews already before E3 even starts)
No renting, no loaning. No private sales (unless selling to someone who has been on your friends list for 30 days)
Console Checks in Every 24 hours
Trade-ins are up to the publisher and only at participating retailers
You can give a game to a friend only if they have been on your friends list for 30 days, and then it is stuck with them.
Up to 10 family members can play your games from any console at any time
EDIT: "With Xbox One you can game offline for up to 24 hours on your primary console, or one hour if you are logged on to a separate console accessing your library. Offline gaming is not possible after these prescribed times until you re-establish a connection, but you can still watch live TV and enjoy Blu-ray and DVD movies."
Hey, finally! Hope they're messaging isn't such a mess anymore (probably not though - it looks like Microsoft has cancelled their post E3 media roundtable event and are also starting to cancel 1 on 1 interviews already before E3 even starts)
No renting, no loaning. No private sales (unless selling to someone who has been on your friends list for 30 days)
Console Checks in Every 24 hours
Trade-ins are up to the publisher and only at participating retailers
You can give a game to a friend only if they have been on your friends list for 30 days, and then it is stuck with them.
Up to 10 family members can play your games from any console at any time
EDIT: "With Xbox One you can game offline for up to 24 hours on your primary console, or one hour if you are logged on to a separate console accessing your library. Offline gaming is not possible after these prescribed times until you re-establish a connection, but you can still watch live TV and enjoy Blu-ray and DVD movies."
Trade ins are up to the publisher... that sure is a passive way of saying "no". Chicken-sh*t move IMO. Just own up to it, don't leave the developers holding the blame on a decision that they actually only have one viable option on.
Guess we will see what Sony says but holy hell. What awful features. The 24 hour check in is stupid. May have to actually pass on a system unless the exclusives blow me away
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I totally read the second sentence with a very snarky attitude. TVTVTVTVTVTV!
With Xbox One you can game offline for up to 24 hours on your primary console, or one hour if you are logged on to a separate console accessing your library. Offline gaming is not possible after these prescribed times until you re-establish a connection . . . BUT!!!! you can still watch live TV and enjoy Blu-ray and DVD movies!!!
Doesn't impact me because I'll be in far worse shape than my Xbox if there's no Internet for 24 hours, but lots of people don't have Internet or want to game where they aren't going to have Internet. I've taken my Wii on a family vacation before so we could play Super Smash Bros. on rainy evenings.
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Highly dissapointing. Even if you aren't into used games, the whole set up is a slap in the face to gamers. I'm very interested to see what Sony is going to have to say at E3.
I don't ever buy used games, nor do I really ever have my system not connected to the internet, but just the principle of me not having full access to a single player game, or not being able to lend a buddy that game should I choose to really irks me for some reason. For that reason alone, I think I may pass on the system this time around.
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I don't ever buy used games, nor do I really ever have my system not connected to the internet, but just the principle of me not having full access to a single player game, or not being able to lend a buddy that game should I choose to really irks me for some reason. For that reason alone, I think I may pass on the system this time around.
I'm liking this less and less as well. It is more the principal of the amount of control that they are expecting to have on the way I choose to game. If I buy the console why should i then have to ask their permission to play on it every 24 hours? I have shelled out the cash, I want to play on it when i want, where i want, my choice not theirs.
I think M$ are going to see really bad sales for the XB1 and most of it will be down to these kind of demands.
yup, i think MS are going overboard in their attempts to over monetize on things that have been open to gamers forever. That being said, is it clear that sony isn't doing this? I'd be shocked to hear MS has decided to announce all these restrictions that weren't their before, only to have the competitor not have any such new roadblocks.
Either that's where they industry is going (ie. both sony/ms are planning to monetize even more out of the existing consumer behaviours) or MS is just stupid.
I'm leaning to the prior, but hoping for hte latter.
1. Filing a patent does not mean it is being implemented.
2. Tracking viewing behavior does not automatically mean capturing video, but more likely metrics. "User seems to watch the sports ads and get up from in front of the TV during car ads. Show more ads for sports." You're leaping to conclusions.
Some tin foil hat mulling.
Just to back to this for a quick sec. It was mentioned in the US government phone tapping thread but Microsoft was the first major tech company to sign on and provide information to the NSA. Apparently a "top secret" court order leaked the other day.
Meanwhile, I'm sure the NSA nor the FBI is not at all interested in the accessing that camera/mic in everybody's living room.
yup, i think MS are going overboard in their attempts to over monetize on things that have been open to gamers forever. That being said, is it clear that sony isn't doing this? I'd be shocked to hear MS has decided to announce all these restrictions that weren't their before, only to have the competitor not have any such new roadblocks.
Either that's where they industry is going (ie. both sony/ms are planning to monetize even more out of the existing consumer behaviours) or MS is just stupid.
I'm leaning to the prior, but hoping for hte latter.
No, Sony has treated in the way MS probably should have. They deflected every single question and told people that they'll reveal their plans later. By essentially leaking small bits of information all over the place MS caused this PR issue. Sony will likely reveal a very similar plan imo, but when they do it'll be rehearsed and (hopefully) more clear. MS essentially let the public jump to about every possible conclusion.
I'm with you on this, there's no way publishers can lock out used games on one system and not the other. So many publishers would jump ship it would be immensely damaging to Sony.
yup, i think MS are going overboard in their attempts to over monetize on things that have been open to gamers forever. That being said, is it clear that sony isn't doing this? I'd be shocked to hear MS has decided to announce all these restrictions that weren't their before, only to have the competitor not have any such new roadblocks.
Either that's where they industry is going (ie. both sony/ms are planning to monetize even more out of the existing consumer behaviours) or MS is just stupid.
I'm leaning to the prior, but hoping for hte latter.
Sony hasn't released as much info as MS on the subject, but they have said that they will not implement mandatory game registration for any of their titles nor require any publisher to do so, but publishers may implement it if they so chose.
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At a roundtable this morning, Sony's game studios chief, Shuhei Yoshida, told reporters that any requirement for users to register a game online in order to play it would be left to game publishers. Sony won't require that."
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This clears up a few things:
1.) The PlayStation 4 can play games offline without having to be online. This was clarified the day of the PS4's reveal back on February 20th.
2.) Sony will not have any mandatory DRM for used games. You can buy, play, trade used games on the PlayStation 4 just as usual. No additional registration fees, pay-walls or internet registration required.
3.) If you so choose, you can play games from disc, download them from the digital store or remote load them. Sony doesn't mandate any method over the other for multi-format titles.
4.) Just for extra clarification the PlayStation 4 does not and will not require a constant always-on internet connection.
The statement is true of the XBoxOne as well, it only requires a connection once every 24 hours, not a constant always-on internet connection.
Well with the XBox if you haven't checked in in the 24 hours your offline games become unplayable.
I tracked down the exact quote for further clarification:
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After the Xbox One reveal it became a certainty when Microsoft explained that there would be some form of “check-in” for their new system. Popular consensus thought that Sony would probably be heading in that direction with the PS4 as well, they just hadn’t spilled the beans just yet.
As it turns out, this might not be the case at all. Mark Cerny, the architect behind the PS4, recently sat down with a Spanish publication to clarify the alleged always online requirements for the PS4. In the interview, Cerny says that the PS4 will not require a permanent connection to the internet.
“PlayStation 4 is not a permanent connection system in that sense, but the experience is much richer if you are connected. You will have access to digital content and updates for your games, along with a wide range of social functions: upload videos and screenshots, see your friends play and interact with them in various ways within the games.”
If after that quote, the PS4 still required online check-in, I would say Sony has been extremely misleading.
I would assume that if you haven't checked in in 24hours the game would be playable again once you DO check in again.
How much would it suck to go on vacation, have the power go out and mess with your router and the Xbox cannot connect to the internet. You can't possibly lose your game for ever?
