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Old 06-05-2013, 06:50 PM   #1121
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nice pk by Boston, Pens get 1 shot.
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Old 06-05-2013, 06:51 PM   #1122
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Large part is the wrong phrasing. It is pretty clear by my post that I am not singling out Iginla. I am simply saying that he has been equally bad as the entire team and I have no problem with him shuffling down the lines. As far as potshots go, am I supposed to say nothing? The guy is playing some pretty uninspired hockey. Personally, I love the guy, and I hope he turns it around, but he's going to need to make some alterations from the way he has played in this series and largely the playoffs.
If Bylsma cuts Iginla's ice time, he's even less responsible for the garbage the Pens have iced in this series.

Iginla shouldn't be singled out for the Penguins problems. He's not the captain and he waived to play with Crosby & Malkin, supposedly the 2 best players in the world. Bylsma refuses to put him with Crosby, but that shouldn't be a knock on Iginla in any way.

I don't have a problem with anyone saying Iginla doesn't look good, I just don't understand the logic of saying he's a large part of the problem. Crosby, the captain, should be the one in the crosshairs for critics.
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Only forwards with less ice time than Iginla are Adams, Vitale and Morrow
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Old 06-05-2013, 06:52 PM   #1124
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I wonder how well Torrey Krug would do in an 82 game regular season? How could that little guy put up with the rigours of the regular season?

Gotta say, though, he's looked awesome these playoffs. I mean, c'mon... 4 goals and 6 points in 7 games.
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Old 06-05-2013, 06:53 PM   #1125
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Pittsburgh is sucking, and Iginla isn't the main reason for that. He's a role player now and people need to stop with the pot shots. Stop holding the guy to the standards he set in Calgary, he's gone. He doesn't wear a letter anymore.

Crosby has been invisible this series minus the whining. He's an awesome captain/leader who is supposed to be the best player in the world. People should be trashing him just like Ovechkin for not showing up.

Flames fans are used to piling on Jarome, but he's not the reason the Pens are in serious trouble. Malkin's defense makes Iginla look like a selke candidate.
In my opinion the issue with Jarome is he is not a role player.

He is no longer physical enough on a game to game basis and his defensive game is not good enough to be a bottom 6 role player.

He either needs to produce in a top 6 role or bust.
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Old 06-05-2013, 06:59 PM   #1126
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Didnt you hear him? A buyout is the only option!
Do you really think Fleury has any trade value? What would you suggest the Flames give up in order to trade for 2 years at just under $6 million per?

When you keep your "franchise" goaltender on the bench in an absolute must win, I think it's a pretty clear sign that his time is up.
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In my opinion the issue with Jarome is he is not a role player.

He is no longer physical enough on a game to game basis and his defensive game is not good enough to be a bottom 6 role player.

He either needs to produce in a top 6 role or bust.
He's not being coached into a top 6 role, so production is going to decline with less ice time.

Iginla is tied for 8th in playoff scoring. Isn't that producing? I just don't understand how people can heap the Penguins problems on the guy.

If he's not a role player and isn't good enough for top 6 minutes according to Bylsma and others, is he completely useless?
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God I wish we had a player like Lucic. Just a physical monster.
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God I wish we had a player like Lucic. Just a physical monster.
We need to get Ferland to train with Lucic. If all the stars align correctly, I could see Ferland becoming a similar player.
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Old 06-05-2013, 07:05 PM   #1130
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Don Cherry is making sense on Hybrid Icing doing nothing. It only whistles dead plays that no one was going to get injured on anyways.

Now I don't necessarily agree with no touch by Hybrid is stupid.
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If Bylsma cuts Iginla's ice time, he's even less responsible for the garbage the Pens have iced in this series.

Iginla shouldn't be singled out for the Penguins problems. He's not the captain and he waived to play with Crosby & Malkin, supposedly the 2 best players in the world. Bylsma refuses to put him with Crosby, but that shouldn't be a knock on Iginla in any way.

I don't have a problem with anyone saying Iginla doesn't look good, I just don't understand the logic of saying he's a large part of the problem. Crosby, the captain, should be the one in the crosshairs for critics.
Haha, alright then. the first sentence in my post you quoted should have pretty much cleared the air on that then, no?

Absolutely agree, Crosby needs to take the brunt of this. Was just responding to someone who didn't like Iginla getting dropped to the third line.

If Iginla feels entitled to play on a certain line like you seem to, then that would be a pretty safe place to start explaining how he has played.
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He's not being coached into a top 6 role, so production is going to decline with less ice time.

Iginla is tied for 8th in playoff scoring. Isn't that producing? I just don't understand how people can heap the Penguins problems on the guy.

If he's not a role player and isn't good enough for top 6 minutes according to Bylsma and others, is he completely useless?
I agree with you that he is not the cause of the problems, he wasn't on the team when they did the same thing against Philly last year.

I just don't think he is good in a bottom 6 role, he needs to be used as a scoring winger ala Brett Hull late in his career at this point.

The Pens issue are their centers aren't living up to the hype. Last year Giroux outplayed them, and this year Krejci and Bergeron.

Plus they need to stop trying to out tough the Bruins and just go and play their game.
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Old 06-05-2013, 07:07 PM   #1133
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Malkin sucks defensively. Unbelievable how lazy he is.
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Old 06-05-2013, 07:10 PM   #1135
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God I wish we had a player like Lucic. Just a physical monster.
God i wish our team was EXACTLY like the Bruins. But man we are on the opposite end of the spectrum.
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Old 06-05-2013, 07:11 PM   #1136
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Iginla had some dumb plays in that period but I thought it was more due not having anyone to move the puck than anything else. I also saw him get into prime shooting lanes and no one came close to getting him the puck. The guy can still shoot, put him in a position to do that.

He is far from the Pens problem as the whole team looks lost and that falls squarely on the coach, Letang, Malkin and Crosby. hey look like they are playing beer league hockey out there, especially on defence.
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Old 06-05-2013, 07:12 PM   #1137
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If Iginla feels entitled to play on a certain line like you seem to, then that would be a pretty safe place to start explaining how he has played.
It's not that he's entitled to play on a certain line, but look at the way that the second line has played without him the past 2 games and tell me whether or not demoting Iginla has given the Penguins a better chance to win.

Also, if you want to change something up with that line and don't want to put Iginla with Crosby, rather than demoting him, why not try him at right wing? I know he only has a 1,200 game track record there, but desperate times call for desperate measures.
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Old 06-05-2013, 07:13 PM   #1138
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Don Cherry is making sense on Hybrid Icing doing nothing. It only whistles dead plays that no one was going to get injured on anyways.

Now I don't necessarily agree with no touch by Hybrid is stupid.
I'm going to disagree. Watching the AHL this season experiment with the hybrid icing rule was nice. It was relatively easy for the refs to call it, plus there wasn't one dangerous incident throughout the whole season. It did what it was designed to do.

Yes, there was the occasional grey area where the d-man and opposing forward were tied at the faceoff dot, but really, it's better to have an upset forward than an injured one.

Put me down for liking it.
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Old 06-05-2013, 07:14 PM   #1139
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I'm not sure why Iginla is getting the blame lol. He is not the star player in Pittsburgh he is a role player. This is crosbys teams and he has been awful so far and so has malkin and letang.

When we brought players to Calgary to help Iggy, Iggy took the blame. The entire team has sucked. This isn't Iginlas team.
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Old 06-05-2013, 07:16 PM   #1140
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Pens all over Bruins to start the 2nd. Terrible call for a gift Pens PP. Should be 4 on 4
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