Chemical Weapon used in Syria, Western military response likely

[Knut]

^ What if both sides have used it.. How do you deal with it then ?

[mikey_the_redneck]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

You're logic does not work in the real world where the rebels have fought Syria's army to at a minimum a stand still, at best they are gaining ground and taking arms and weapons depots.

There is no logic in the rebels using chemical weapons, the Syrian government who is not in a position to win against this rebellion has hit desperation territory, especially considering that El Presidente if he loses will probably be hung by a lamp post.

Your conspiracy theories in this case are convoluted and stupid and have no anchor in the real world.

You also clearly have no concept of how complex chemical weapons are to use and fire.

Not everything is a false flag, or a illuminati conspiracy or an evil plot by the CIA which if you actually read their history has been one of the most incompetent spy agencies since about the 60's.

Your theory my friend is BS, makes no sense, has no grounding in strategic intent or reality.

"There is no logic in the rebels using chemical weapons"

The logic is that the rebels are losing to Assad's troops. They need the no-fly zone. The rebels will use chemical weapons to frame up the Assad regime because they need NATO help. The Western elite (NATO nations)are frustrated by the FSA's lack of success and the EU has now agreed to provide heavy weaponry to the Al Nusra, err I mean Free Syrian Army front.

This has turned into an ugly sectarian conflict just like in Libya (which is still a disaster zone), and its all being fomented from outside Syria. Many christians, jews, and non-Sunni muslims are in grave danger. There is no popular movement against Assad, and I maintain that Syria is better off under Assads rule.

You are a bit naive Crunch. You probably bought into the Iraqi WMD's lie as well. That was a hell of a conspiracy theory. Be aware that all nations who have a stake in a war will participate in propaganda, not just the perceived bad guy. In the meantime, stop by youtube and check out some of the beheading videos coming out of Syria these days....

[mikey_the_redneck]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-22773268

Well if the BBC and NATO member France say it ....it must be true...

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Hesla

^ What if both sides have used it.. How do you deal with it then ?

Separation of forces, a strictly imposed no fly zone with equal counter battery operations.

Sanction won't do anything and they can't get them passed anyways.

Convening a War Crimes tribunal won't work since the government and the rebels wouldn't recognize it and wouldn't show for it.

Diplomacy won't work either.

The only way to stop chemical weapons is to either prevent their deployment, or physically take them away. So your talking shooting down planes and helicopters and blasting artillery based targets. on both sides. The only way to really stop it for sure it to put boots on the ground to find and deactivate the weapons.




I'm pretty sure that the Russians as well as Iran provided the Syrian's with the program and the weapons to deploy them.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

Well if the BBC and NATO member France say it ....it must be true...

I am not sure where I said it was true, but what is your trusted source?

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

"There is no logic in the rebels using chemical weapons"

The logic is that the rebels are losing to Assad's troops. They need the no-fly zone. The rebels will use chemical weapons to frame up the Assad regime because they need NATO help. The Western elite (NATO nations)are frustrated by the FSA's lack of success and the EU has now agreed to provide heavy weaponry to the Al Nusra, err I mean Free Syrian Army front.

This has turned into an ugly sectarian conflict just like in Libya (which is still a disaster zone), and its all being fomented from outside Syria. Many christians, jews, and non-Sunni muslims are in grave danger. There is no popular movement against Assad, and I maintain that Syria is better off under Assads rule.

You are a bit naive Crunch. You probably bought into the Iraqi WMD's lie as well. That was a hell of a conspiracy theory. Be aware that all nations who have a stake in a war will participate in propaganda, not just the perceived bad guy. In the meantime, stop by youtube and check out some of the beheading videos coming out of Syria these days....

Nope didn't buy into the Iraqi having WMD because they'd either used their stock on the Northern Kurds, sent them for safe keeping to a nation like Syria, or the generals lied to Saddam about having them to keep their heads.

Your theory about a frame up makes zero sense, the last thing the rebels would want is Nato or UN troops on the ground to stand between power and them.

Plus I don't think you know how chemical weapons work and how difficult it is to deploy them which goes against your theory. Plus this isn't mustard gas we're talking about it renders itself inert fairly quickly and the biggest stockpiles of Sarin Gas are countries that are firmly on the side of the Government in place.

the United States and other nations don't stockpile significant quantities of the more complex and lethal chemical weapons anymore.

If you look at the facts, Syria has the deployment systems that you need, they have specialized troops that are equip to fight in a chemical environment, they have access to their own stockpiles of Sarin gas.

The Rebels have none of these things.

I might be naive but I'm naive based on facts.

BTW if you think its easy for the rebels to adopt chemical weapons your insane. I went through NBC training and learning to handle the stuff, let alone fighting through the stuff for a long period of time after its deployed without proper and expensive equipment and training is is unlikely.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

I am not sure where I said it was true, but what is your trusted source?

Likely Alex Jones

[undercoverbrother]

http://www.dailystar.com.lb/News/Loc...#axzz2VMRUaxZc

Salim Idriss, the commander of the Syrian rebel forces, warned Wednesday that fighters seeking to oust President Bashar Assad could target Hezbollah in Lebanon if authorities failed to put a stop to the resistance group’s activities in Syria.
“The fighters are ready to move the battles into Lebanon to confront Hezbollah members fighting alongside the Syrian regime forces,” the Free Syrian Army commander told BBC.
“The Syrian opposition will have to take necessary measures if the Lebanese authorities fail to end Hezbollah’s interference in Syria battles,” he added.
The remarks of Idriss came as Syrian rebels conceded defeat to Hezbollah-backed regime troops in the Homs town of Qusair early Wednesday.
The Syrian commander also said that “there are now a very large number of Hezbollah fighters in Syria’s Qusair, Aleppo and Damascus.”
“I can say they are everywhere in the country,” he said.
Hezbollah’s growing military intervention in Syria has raised the risks of a possible spillover of violence to Lebanon.
Last month, two rockets hit Beirut’s southern suburb, a Hezbollah stronghold, a day after its chief Sayyed Hasan Nasrallah confirmed his group’s military involvement in Syria.
However, the FSA denied responsibility for the incident.

I am always amazed that Lebannon can't control these groups.

[Knut]

@BreakingNews: 213 people die in nerve gas attack by Assad forces in Damascus, Syrian activists and medical source say - @Reuters http://t.co/ZtXINr1M49

Uh-oh

[CaptainCrunch]

Its nearly too late to do anything now.

The weapons are now deployed and spread throughout the country. The time to do something was when this freaking mess started and the weapons were still in secured storage.

What a blood bath, terribly tragic for the poor people caught between sides.

[nik-]

And it's so far beyond picking sides at this point. This has completely devolved into a sectarian war. That region is so ####ed.

[puckluck2]

Such a shame. Syria truly is a beautiful country. I'm only 20 minutes away from one of the borders but there's nothing going on around there.

There are a tonne of Syrian refugees in Lebanon now and we even let 5 families stay in our old house here free of charge.

Hopefully peace prevails and the Syrians can live their normal everyday lives.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by puckluck2

Such a shame. Syria truly is a beautiful country. I'm only 20 minutes away from one of the borders but there's nothing going on around there.

There are a tonne of Syrian refugees in Lebanon now and we even let 5 families stay in our old house here free of charge.

Hopefully peace prevails and the Syrians can live their normal everyday lives.

As someone in the area, what can anyone do at this point?

[puckluck2]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

As someone in the area, what can anyone do at this point?

I'm not sure I know exactly what you mean but if you mean everyday life then anything.

If you came here without watching the news you wouldn't even know anything was going on. It's as normal as usual.

[mikey_the_redneck]

Haha.....this is becoming comical.

How many times are the Al Nusra (Al-Qaeda) rebels going to try and frame the Assad regime for chemical weapon use?

Assads troops have been kicking FSA butt all over the country. They don't need any kind of wmd's. Interesting timing of dubious claims when the UN weapons inspectors show up.

And again, ...Assad being highly educated would not make such a critical error of using these weapons knowing NATO retribution is right around the corner. More laughable western war propaganda.

[mikey_the_redneck]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

I am not sure where I said it was true, but what is your trusted source?

I have no "trusted" source, but I certainly wouldn't lean on the pedophile network known as the BBC.

[puckluck2]

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

Haha.....this is becoming comical.

How many times are the Al Nusra (Al-Qaeda) rebels going to try and frame the Assad regime for chemical weapon use?

Assads troops have been kicking FSA butt all over the country. They don't need any kind of wmd's. Interesting timing of dubious claims when the UN weapons inspectors show up.

And again, ...Assad being highly educated would not make such a critical error of using these weapons knowing NATO retribution is right around the corner. More laughable western war propaganda.

Yeah, I'm very anti Assad, but I don't think he's that stupid to use chemical weapons at this point. They're already beating the rebels easily. This looks to be a desperate attempt to get America involved.

[Old Yeller]

Originally Posted by puckluck2

Such a shame. Syria truly is a beautiful country. I'm only 20 minutes away from one of the borders but there's nothing going on around there.

There are a tonne of Syrian refugees in Lebanon now and we even let 5 families stay in our old house here free of charge.

Hopefully peace prevails and the Syrians can live their normal everyday lives.

I went through Syria on my honeymoon 4 years ago... just a couple of whitey's going through Turkey/Syria/Jordan/Israel. I've never met more friendly locals travelling than in the Middle East... Syria especially.

One of my favorite memories was when we were in Homs, Syria and the wife wanted a coffee... so we went down the street to what we thought was a coffee shop, turns out it was just a place that sells/grinds coffee beans, only we didn't clue into that and their English was as good as our Arabic.

So after about 2 or 3 minutes of trying to explain to the dumb foreigners that they weren't a bloody Starbucks we finally got it and apologized and went to leave... only they wouldn't let us leave. They invited us behind the counter, ground up some coffee beans and made us coffee and served it to us. Then we sat around having a horribly broken conversation about football, drinking coffee and smoking cigarettes.... I tried to give them money afterwards and they would just not take it. This is one of my favorite memories of the trip, but I have many others... they're just such a giving people and so accommodating.

I often still think about the people who ran that coffee shop and hope they're alright, but seeing as Homs was one of the original conflict points in this whole ####show, I have my doubts.

[Knut]

http://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/co...near_damascus/

Interesting and horrifying stuff here.. Whether Assad or the rebels did it.

[NuclearPizzaMan]

Originally Posted by mikey_the_redneck

I have no "trusted" source, but I certainly wouldn't lean on the pedophile network known as the BBC.

lol.