A little from the right!

[Lurch]

A buddy of mine works in b to b sales in the US and does a lot of traveling in the northwest as a result. Apparently this group has quite a few billboards across the country. It seems to me there has been a disturbing lack of right wing wingnuts profiled on this message board and we can't have to left getting all the glory.

http://www.getusout.org/

[Reaper]

What a bunch of fools those people are.

[Cowperson]

Originally posted by Lurch@Oct 1 2004, 08:38 PM
A buddy of mine works in b to b sales in the US and does a lot of traveling in the northwest as a result. Apparently this group has quite a few billboards across the country. It seems to me there has been a disturbing lack of right wing wingnuts profiled on this message board and we can't have to left getting all the glory.

http://www.getusout.org/

That's hilarious. Except they're serious. Then again, that's what makes it hilarious. But then, that wouldn't be funny because they're serious. My head is going to explode.

I liked this part:

Even more alarming, the United Nations is beginning to take aim at the God-given rights enjoyed by Americans since our great nation was founded. The right to self defense, use your own property, or even the right to have children may all be trampled if the United Nations is allowed to have the power it seeks.

God gave everyone the right to own a gun?

Adam and Eve had guns in the Garden of Eden!! Why didn't they just shoot that nasty serpent!!??

Cowperson

[I-Hate-Hulse]

Got to love extremists on both side of the equasion. Reminds me of those milita members who swear an invasion led by UN forces in black helicopters is imminent. Heck, the UN can barely get a climate treaty to pass - they hardly pose a threat to anyone militarily. Just a blast from the "We're 'murrican and don' need no one tellin us how to do nuthin" crowd.

[calf]

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I'm not sure if it's funny or scary or sad or what

[BlackArcher101]

It's pathetic and I pity the fools.

[Cowperson]

You must realize, of course, that this is a vast conspiracy theory.

Cowperson

[Lurch]

You must realize, of course, that this is a vast conspiracy theory.

No shortage of those around here!!

[troutman]

Originally posted by BlackArcher101@Oct 1 2004, 09:29 PM
It's pathetic and I pity the fools.

Mr. T (from Conan O'Brien show):

"I remember one time I tried to pity this fool. He told me his name was Jeff. He was married. He pulled out his wallet and showed me three pictures of his kids; Kelly, Robert, Brittany. Real cute kids. Don't get too close man. It's hard to pity a fool if you get too close."

"Conan O' Brien will be pitied not be me as a fool, but by fools as a superfool."

[TheCommodoreAfro]

Is it just me, or is Cow and others on this board emulating GW's "flip-flop" nonsense by bandying the "conspiracy theory" charges against certain posters?

Just exactly what is a "conspiracy theory" anyway?

[Displaced Flames fan]

A. What do the two have to do with each other on any level?
secondly......I think conspiracy theories have become a bit of an inside joke around here....kind of like Cow's references to schizophrenic media outlets.

[Lanny_MacDonald]

Originally posted by TheCommodoreAfro@Oct 2 2004, 02:28 AM
Is it just me, or is Cow and others on this board emulating GW's "flip-flop" nonsense by bandying the "conspiracy theory" charges against certain posters?

Just exactly what is a "conspiracy theory" anyway?

A conspiracy theory here is anything that the right wing feels exposes their soft under belly. If you can show where their weaknesses are, and that those individuals tend to melt like a vampire to the light a thing called truth, then they shout "conspiracy theory" in an attempt to discredit the opposing view. Of course when you do it the other way, well you're just not playing fair or are being evasive.

Don't worry 'fro, they'll be telling us that there is plenty of "hard work" being done on their side, and that we are just misunderestimating their resolve in defending the righteousness of an war that needed to be done to remove an immenient threat.

[Lanny_MacDonald]

Originally posted by Displaced Flames fan@Oct 2 2004, 03:30 AM
A. What do the two have to do with each other on any level?
secondly......I think conspiracy theories have become a bit of an inside joke around here....kind of like Cow's references to schizophrenic media outlets.

No Dis, I don't see it as an "inside joke". I see it as an attempt to pump up a side of an argument that is quickly falling to pieces by trying to force views of certain posters to the "lunatic fringe". Its funny, but the "lunatic fringe" appears to have been much more intouch with things as it turns out. Conspiracy theories? Not when they come to fruition.

In regards to the media, and Cow's habit of prefacing every link that he feels supports his views that the media is in control of their message and they have the freedom to print or say what they want, when they want, it also falls back to promotion of his beliefs and an attempt to discredit the other side of the argument. Fortunately for every one article that Cow posts that has something critical to say of the administration, there are 10 that are in favor of what is going on. God bless the Murdock media!

BTW... what did you think of the comments about the debate? Seems to be a huge majority that saw it as a Kerry victory... except on a certain news channel with a vested interest.

[Cowperson]

Originally posted by TheCommodoreAfro@Oct 2 2004, 02:28 AM
Is it just me, or is Cow and others on this board emulating GW's "flip-flop" nonsense by bandying the "conspiracy theory" charges against certain posters?

Is it just me, or is Cow and others on this board emulating GW's "flip-flop" nonsense by bandying the "conspiracy theory" charges against certain posters?

As Displaced asked, what does one have to do with the other and what would my obvious bonhomme above, in a humourous thread, have to do with your question in the first place?

Just exactly what is a "conspiracy theory" anyway?

http://www.wordiq.com/definition/Conspiracy_theory

EDIT:

Fortunately for every one article that Cow posts that has something critical to say of the administration, there are 10 that are in favor of what is going on. God bless the Murdock media!

Yesterday, you were confusing the New York Times with the "Murdoch Media." Have you got the right one this time? I wouldn't want to have to correct you again.

I assume in this instance you're talking about FOX, the network I routinely use as an example of media bias, a point apparently lost on you.

If you were talking about media in general - and saying they're all "Murdoch Media," which wouldn't surprise me given your track record - the only thing I saw channel surfing earlier this evening was the sense Kerry had a modest edge in the debate last night, a reasonable assessment.

A 10-1 ratio? You're taking an extreme, radical position aren't you? As usual?

I see it as an attempt to pump up a side of an argument that is quickly falling to pieces by trying to force views of certain posters to the "lunatic fringe".

Isn't that exactly what you're attempting to do with the wording of your own post?

Help, help!! I'm being repressed!!

You hoop yourself every time.

Cowperson

[Lanny_MacDonald]

Wow, thanks for correcting me Cow. I don't know what I would do without the CalgaryPuck content police (nee thought police) double checking my every word. And that confusion was honest and corrected immediately after discovery of the faux pas.

You see Cow, what you fail to understand, because you're nice and isolated up there in Okotoks, is that there is a massive media bias down here, but people don't know it because they have very little to compare it to otherwise. When you have the Murdoch media corporation all saying the same thing it is very hard to get away from it. The unified voice of TV, print and radio is extremely hard to battle. Unless you're willing to flip to what is considered the fringe (NPR, Air America, etc.) you're getting the same message from all the stations. I have learned this from experience and living in different American cities. It is unbelievable that the exact same content can be playing in Tampa, as it is in Boston, as it is in New York, as it is in Phoenix, as it is in San Antonio. The same message gets out because the same corporation owns the stations and pushes the same information out through their outlets. See, that's how easy it is to say that for every 1 article you dig up from a source, I'm able to dig up 10. For every decenting voice there is in the wilderness, there is ten from the mega-media because they are reading the exact same news pushed out from head office. Ten makets preaching the exact same script on the same story. But people don't know it and believe they are getting "locally generated" news.

And no Cow, I do not think you are the lunatic fringe. You are as mainstream as they come. You buy eveything that comes down the corporate tube as being honest facts. This is what the vast majority of people do. They don't have the time, nor the desire, to want to verify that what they are hearing is the truth. Media is a very powerful tool, one that the elite has learned to use to keep the masses right where they are supposed to be. You, on the other hand, love to try and push me (and any poor bas**rd that dare agree with me) to the side of the lunatic fringe. The preface you use in many of your articles is proof of that. I think you have every right to think the way you do, I just want people to know that there is another side to the story, one that is very different from that the mass media is trying to get you to buy and one that makes a lot more sense when added up. The fact that you label them a conspiracy theory just shows you haven't bothered to connect the dots.

Something to bounce off of you. Consider control. How many people do you think control the TV networks? How many people do you think control the radio stations? How many people do you think control the print media? Now think of those organizations as any other company, say an Oil copany. Consider the control mechanisms in place for that organization. Consider where decisions are made and how that strategy is put into play. Consider how the strategy is defined the information developed and a plan executed. Is it the little guy that makes those decisions? Is it their voice that is heard? Or is it not the voice of the owners/CEO's that become the vision that is communicated? You may have officers that are assigned to speak for the organization, but are they not putting out the same message?

What you fail to understand is the America is Corporate America. The country doesn't run as individual bodies making group decisions anymore. It runs as corporations making deals that affect hundreds of thousands of people at a time. When you have the media being operated as, and by, a large corporation you no longer have honest media. You have a machine that pumps out what ever vision is held from the corporate offices. So works News Corp, so works Cear Channel. When you have the same men with the same views driving these mega-media outlets, a common voice and ideology is heard. That's life in Corporate America.

[Cowperson]

Originally posted by Lanny_MacDonald@Oct 2 2004, 02:24 PM
Wow, thanks for correcting me Cow. I don't know what I would do without the CalgaryPuck content police (nee thought police) double checking my every word. And that confusion was honest and corrected immediately after discovery of the faux pas.

You see Cow, what you fail to understand, because you're nice and isolated up there in Okotoks, is that there is a massive media bias down here, but people don't know it because they have very little to compare it to otherwise. When you have the Murdoch media corporation all saying the same thing it is very hard to get away from it. The unified voice of TV, print and radio is extremely hard to battle. Unless you're willing to flip to what is considered the fringe (NPR, Air America, etc.) you're getting the same message from all the stations. I have learned this from experience and living in different American cities. It is unbelievable that the exact same content can be playing in Tampa, as it is in Boston, as it is in New York, as it is in Phoenix, as it is in San Antonio. The same message gets out because the same corporation owns the stations and pushes the same information out through their outlets. See, that's how easy it is to say that for every 1 article you dig up from a source, I'm able to dig up 10. For every decenting voice there is in the wilderness, there is ten from the mega-media because they are reading the exact same news pushed out from head office. Ten makets preaching the exact same script on the same story. But people don't know it and believe they are getting "locally generated" news.

And no Cow, I do not think you are the lunatic fringe. You are as mainstream as they come. You buy eveything that comes down the corporate tube as being honest facts. This is what the vast majority of people do. They don't have the time, nor the desire, to want to verify that what they are hearing is the truth. Media is a very powerful tool, one that the elite has learned to use to keep the masses right where they are supposed to be. You, on the other hand, love to try and push me (and any poor bas**rd that dare agree with me) to the side of the lunatic fringe. The preface you use in many of your articles is proof of that. I think you have every right to think the way you do, I just want people to know that there is another side to the story, one that is very different from that the mass media is trying to get you to buy and one that makes a lot more sense when added up. The fact that you label them a conspiracy theory just shows you haven't bothered to connect the dots.

Something to bounce off of you. Consider control. How many people do you think control the TV networks? How many people do you think control the radio stations? How many people do you think control the print media? Now think of those organizations as any other company, say an Oil copany. Consider the control mechanisms in place for that organization. Consider where decisions are made and how that strategy is put into play. Consider how the strategy is defined the information developed and a plan executed. Is it the little guy that makes those decisions? Is it their voice that is heard? Or is it not the voice of the owners/CEO's that become the vision that is communicated? You may have officers that are assigned to speak for the organization, but are they not putting out the same message?

What you fail to understand is the America is Corporate America. The country doesn't run as individual bodies making group decisions anymore. It runs as corporations making deals that affect hundreds of thousands of people at a time. When you have the media being operated as, and by, a large corporation you no longer have honest media. You have a machine that pumps out what ever vision is held from the corporate offices. So works News Corp, so works Cear Channel. When you have the same men with the same views driving these mega-media outlets, a common voice and ideology is heard. That's life in Corporate America.

You see Cow, what you fail to understand, because you're nice and isolated up there in Okotoks, is that there is a massive media bias down here, but people don't know it because they have very little to compare it to otherwise.

Ah yes, marginalizing the entire mainstream media into one entity, herding it into a corner where you can slay it.

At that point, liberal or right wing critices will place the offender in the "Liberal Media Group" or the "Rupert Murdoch Media Group," all depending on their political point of view.

Classic. Both sides do it. You are very, very common in that sense Lanny.

Michael Moore tells NBC's Matt Lauer one month that Lauer is part of the right wing media establishment controlling the country. One month later, protestors bust onto the set of the Today Show and accuse the very same Matt Lauer of being part of the Liberal Media Establishment.

How could both sides be right?

That's the thing you're missing Lanny. You're making an accusation your opponents on the other side of the political fence also make about the same people. They do it all the time.

I'm kind of amazed you keep bringing FOX up, as though you're clinging to it like a lifeboat in stormy weather. We both agree Fox tilts unnecessarily to the right and CBC tilts unnecessarily to the left. We have no disagreement.

I find that both present the basic facts but then refuse to allow dissenting commentators a fair say on their networks, my experience with FOX confined to snippets I might see or the representation of their website.

I find as well that, as stated before, the success of a FOX News lies in the fact that people are increasingly seeking out news sources that agree with their pre-established biases. And perhaps they're abandoning other outlets because those networks don't have those biases they favour.

And again, telling the group that the vast majority of people are stupid and you're the only smart guy around kind of sounds extreme.

By the way, I'm busy today and won't be able to answer any challenge for a while.

Cowperson

[Daradon]

Oh wow! Are all off topic threads going to end up like this?

You beat me on one part though...

'God gave everyone the right to own a gun?'

Perhaps, being the all knowing all powerful creator He is, He knew guns were being created and therefore manifested of Himself several different versions so people would have something to shoot each other over even as they claimed they wee becoming more enlightened.

Wackiness.

'And on the eighth day, God created the AK-47...'

[Five-hole]

Sorry, I think I missed the part where God gave the right to anyone to do anything, much less own a gun.


I'm sure it goes without saying that these people know that various rights to life, liberty, and property didn't pop up until, oh, 1795?