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[puckluck2]

Originally Posted by Dion

Who are these Iginla bashers?

Ones that disagree with your opinion of Iginla?

No, he's not playing great. I think the Iginla haters and lovers can agree on that.

But to show up in this thread and beat the same dead horse repeatidly about Iginla as they did while he was a Flame makes you a hater. When all your posts are dedicated to pointing out how low his ice time is then it's clear what the motives are.

[BigBird]

Iggy hasn't had it for awhile its just people don't have their red goggles on anymore

[Dion]

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[pylon]

Originally Posted by puckluck2

No, he's not playing great. I think the Iginla haters and lovers can agree on that.

But to show up in this thread and beat the same dead horse repeatidly about Iginla as they did while he was a Flame makes you a hater. When all your posts are dedicated to pointing out how low his ice time is then it's clear what the motives are.

I think that now the Iginla homerism is wearing off, people are seeing him for what he really is, and for what a lot of the 'experts' have seen him as the last few seasons.

A slow, worn down, veteran with a good shot, and no defensive responsibility. He looks like a third liner right now.

To be honest, one thing this has immensely opened my eyes to, is how Marty St.Louis is potentially the greatest player to come from that young gunz era, not Iginla. As a 1 year older, and much smaller he has not only had greater personal success (.93 vs Iginla's .90 PPG), he has also had far better team success. Look at their stats from last year for cripes sake, Iginla wasn't even close. Buying him out and letting him walk, should be considered a bigger travesty in my eyes than any of the bone headed trades the Flames have made over the years.

There have been a ton of players that have been supreme performers at Iginla's age, and with the steady decline we have seen from him over the last 3-4 seasons, I just do not see him being a Recchi, or a Jagr, or a Sakic. To be honest, he isn't even in the conversation.

[trackercowe]

It's funny how Iginla has probably lowered his value in the marketplace by being traded to the Penguins, and potentially winning the cup. Based on his contract going forward alone, he would have been a lot better off sticking with the Flames and finishing with 35-40 points on a non-playoff team.

Will someone even offer him 4 mill per season? Maybe Doan is actually the better player currently... I can't believe I'm saying that, but it's probably the case.

[Hockey_Ninja]

I just can't defend Iggy anymore. And honestly i'm starting to become bitter about the return we got. What Boston offered seemed way better and could have helped us more in the long run. It's yet to been seen if Iggy made the wrong choice but it just seems like he did, and it hindered us from getting better prospects to add into the pipeline. I still love and appreciate everything he has done for us but in the end it's about the logo on the front and not the name on the back. The ownership/management have screwed us over big time.

[Flame Of Liberty]

Originally Posted by pylon

I think that now the Iginla homerism is wearing off, people are seeing him for what he really is, and for what a lot of the 'experts' have seen him as the last few seasons.

A slow, worn down, veteran with a good shot, and no defensive responsibility. He looks like a third liner right now.

To be honest, one thing this has immensely opened my eyes to, is how Marty St.Louis is potentially the greatest player to come from that young gunz era, not Iginla. As a 1 year older, and much smaller he has not only had greater personal success (.93 vs Iginla's .90 PPG), he has also had far better team success. Look at their stats from last year for cripes sake, Iginla wasn't even close. Buying him out and letting him walk, should be considered a bigger travesty in my eyes than any of the bone headed trades the Flames have made over the years.

There have been a ton of players that have been supreme performers at Iginla's age, and with the steady decline we have seen from him over the last 3-4 seasons, I just do not see him being a Recchi, or a Jagr, or a Sakic. To be honest, he isn't even in the conversation.

And honestly, its a bit unfair to Iginla to compare him to the longevity of these 4, his game was built around raw power and elite shot, with age he naturally lost the ability to beastly dominate the opposition. Nature of his style is the reason he dropped off faster than the other 4. Doesn't mean that anyone "hates" Iginla.

[Tsawwassen]

The Pens have to solve Rask and shore up their defense. An all out offensive front is not a good thing since the Bruins can keep up with them.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

...At this point I hate to say it but playing on the wing with the Sedins is probably the best thing for his career going forward.

I couldn't disagree more. I don't think that playing in Vancouver and with the Sedins will hurt Iginla's production, but based on how the Sedins have played in the past two seasons, he will not be the happy beneficiary of gift-wrapped passes for sure goals either. Furthermore, despite the long-standing myth, the Sedins do not have instant chemistry with every other player they play with. They have helped Anson Carter, Alexandre Burrows and Mikael Samuelsson to career years, but the list of successful players tried with the Sedins grows pretty spotty beyond these three exceptional cases. The Sedins look like they are slowly but surely starting to diminish, and are no longer top-ten NHL forwards. I suspect that three ageing, former superstars on the first-line is hardly a recipe for success for any team, the Canucks notwithstanding.

[kyuss275]

Kind of surprised that some posters feel like Iggy is letting the Pens down. Pitt scouted Iggy for months and knew what they were getting. They knew it was not 2004, granted before the trade, some CP posters did not. My guess is that they are quite happy with Iggy and will re-sign him.

I am bitter that Iggy nixed the Boston deal. That said i think the flames are very lucky that he chose the "wait and see" approach last summer. If ownership could have had it their way, Iggy would have been re-signed for 4-5 years at probably "Doan" type money. Hell some posters wanted to offer him $6 million a year. I think the flames dodged a bullet.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

I couldn't disagree more. I don't think that playing in Vancouver and with the Sedins will hurt Iginla's production, but based on how the Sedins have played in the past two seasons, he will not be the happy beneficiary of gift-wrapped passes for sure goals either. Furthermore, despite the long-standing myth, the Sedins do not have instant chemistry with every other player they play with. They have helped Anson Carter, Alexandre Burrows and Mikael Samuelsson to career years, but the list of successful players tried with the Sedins grows pretty spotty beyond these three exceptional cases. The Sedins look like they are slowly but surely starting to diminish, and are no longer top-ten NHL forwards. I suspect that three ageing, former superstars on the first-line is hardly a recipe for success for any team, the Canucks notwithstanding.

What they all have in common is a pretty good shot. Iginla probably a better shot than any of them although Samuelsson has a great shot as well. None of them are spring chickens at this point but what better option do the Canucks have? The Sedins are losing a step and need a linemate that can finish and the team has nothing on the farm and no money to spend in free agency. Outside of a blockbuster trade what better option would they have if they could get Iginla on the cheap?

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

But it is always good to come in for the "Iggy sucks" circle jerk.

Nobody is saying he sucks. The fact is that his career is almost over and he's not the player he used to be but this isn't on Iginla. The fact that his game has really declined over the past few years IMO is an indictment on ownership and management that should have been much more proactive. If fans and media could spot this how could management of an NHL hockey team not? Maybe the owners of the Flames should look at hiring Brent Sutter as GM as he seemed to be the only guy in the organization that actually knew what was going on and what had to be done.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

What they all have in common is a pretty good shot. Iginla probably a better shot than any of them although Samuelsson has a great shot as well. None of them are spring chickens at this point but what better option do the Canucks have? The Sedins are losing a step and need a linemate that can finish and the team has nothing on the farm and no money to spend in free agency. Outside of a blockbuster trade what better option would they have if they could get Iginla on the cheap?

The Canucks don't have a better option, agreed, but I think that Iginla will certainly have other opportunities. I guess it depends on how much he would want to play in Vancouver—aside from the closeness to home, I can't imagine that he views this a great destination anymore, given how highly he has now prioritised winning the cup. The Canucks are not only no longer a prime destination for players looking to win now, they are also hampered by a less-than-ideal cap situation heading into next year. I think all of this mitigates heavily against any chance of seeing Iginla suit up for the Canucks. I think that he is actually better off staying in Pittsburgh than moving on to Vancouver.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Flames sent their yearbook to STHs this year. Iginla's answer to a question about biggest rivals and if there was a particular rival team that they can get up for or like to beat was essentially "Vancouver. I just don't like them"

Carry on, though.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Flames sent their yearbook to STHs this year. Iginla's answer to a question about biggest rivals and if there was a particular rival team that they can get up for or like to beat was essentially "Vancouver. I just don't like them"

Carry on, though.

What other rival team do you think Iggy would have picked?

It would have been between Edmonton and Vancouver. I don't think the flames players have thought Edmonton was much of a rival for the past few years.

[Iggy Snipe]

Iginla has lost a noticeable step. The pens knew what they were getting. If they use him on their pp, he could score a lot of goals for them. 5 on 5 he won't be as effective. The guy can shoot the puck, and no one can take that away from him.

People comparing him to other players though does not make sense. Guys like Martin St.louis have played with elite players their whole careers. Iginla has been arguably the only elite forward player for Calgary In the last decade.

Either way, I'm routing for him to win. He had an outstanding career, and this is what happens to players when they get old- they slow down and become have lesser roles on teams.

Stop being bitter about Iginla. He's in Pitt now and who cares if he sucks. He will contribute where he can, which should be on the PP and physically. Anyways go Pitt go and hopefully Iginla scores the Stanley cup winner on a beauty one timer.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

The Canucks don't have a better option, agreed, but I think that Iginla will certainly have other opportunities. I guess it depends on how much he would want to play in Vancouver—aside from the closeness to home, I can't imagine that he views this a great destination anymore, given how highly he has now prioritised winning the cup. The Canucks are not only no longer a prime destination for players looking to win now, they are also hampered by a less-than-ideal cap situation heading into next year. I think all of this mitigates heavily against any chance of seeing Iginla suit up for the Canucks. I think that he is actually better off staying in Pittsburgh than moving on to Vancouver.

It's really a toss up as to where Iggy may end up because a lot of the real contenders are up against the cap and probably the teams that can afford to hand him out the best contracts aren't probably the ideal landing spot for a player with Stanley Cup aspirations.

If the Penguins win the cup that may change things as he will have his cup and may feel he can choose a destination that will be comfortable for him and his family as he winds down his career. In this sense the Canucks may be a good fit or possibly one of the California teams. Time will tell but it will certainly be in interesting story come July.

[Tinordi]

I have a hard time thinking that the Penguins will fork over any type of cash for Iginla after this playoff. Sure he's gotten his points, but that roster has bigger issues than signing an increasingly ineffective veteran.

[indes]

Just boggles my mind how with Iginla the 1st PP was 32? ish percent and without him its around 19%. Curious why they made the change

[MrMastodonFarm]

It's too funny watching certain posters pick a side as the playoffs roll on and become huge temporary homers during it. Some hilarious and rather odd comments the last couple of pages. Typical posters with their usual odd obsessions.