Flames 2013 Draft Discussion

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Canada 02

it's not just the Combine video's or lack there of. The Flames site is notoriously slow to update information. Look at their scout's page for example. No mention of David Volek, Steve Pleau, Rob Sumner, Jim Cummins, and a couple others I can't remember, even though they've been with the Flames for over 2 years.

It took them a year to get Weisbrod listed in their Hockey ops. Ron Sutter has been with the Flames Hockey Ops for over a decade, currently Director of player development?, but no mention of him. This is just scratching the surface.

Well to be honest I don't visit the site if ever because I always remember it being pretty bad.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

I have no problem keeping Tanguay if we don't get value in return. He's a good player.

He can be if he is inspired. Without his friend Iggy and Feaster saying he does not want to be part of a rebuild, i could see Tanguay mailing it in next year if he is on the flames. Don't want to have that kind of presence for the youngsters.

Another problem if he choses to play uninspired hockey with the flames next year, is that the past 2 coaches have not been willing to bench top 6 players, and i don't see that changing.

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

He can be if he is inspired. Without his friend Iggy and Feaster saying he does not want to be part of a rebuild, i could see Tanguay mailing it in next year if he is on the flames. Don't want to have that kind of presence for the youngsters.

Another problem if he choses to play uninspired hockey with the flames next year, is that the past 2 coaches have not been willing to bench top 6 players, and i don't see that changing.

Guys with noses out of joint can really have an effect on young guys who are being asked to play at a high consistent level. They see one guy with an attitude mailing it in and then no consequences. We need guys smashing their sticks who hate losing.

[driveway]

Wet dream:

To Carolina: Wideman + STL Pick

To Calgary: CAR pick

Calgary drafts Lindholm AND Monahan. Edmonton weeps.

[Hockey_Ninja]

Originally Posted by driveway

Wet dream:

To Carolina: Wideman + STL Pick

To Calgary: CAR pick

Calgary drafts Lindholm AND Monahan. Edmonton weeps.

Carolina doesn't bite on that. It would have to be Gio and he's going to be the team's next captain by the sound of it.

[Sylvanfan]

Originally Posted by driveway

Wet dream:

To Carolina: Wideman + STL Pick

To Calgary: CAR pick

Calgary drafts Lindholm AND Monahan. Edmonton weeps.

Unless Calgary can pay 175% of Wideman's
contract, this has zero chance. Carolina needs to shed salary, not take on another bloated contract. The Staals, Semin, Cam Ward, and pending raise for Skinner have them in a bind.

[PlayfulGenius]

Originally Posted by Hockey_Ninja

Carolina doesn't bite on that. It would have to be Gio and he's going to be the team's next captain by the sound of it.

I say give 'em Gio and make it the PIT pick

[PlayfulGenius]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

Unless Calgary can pay 175% of Wideman's
contract, this has zero chance. Carolina needs to shed salary, not take on another bloated contract. The Staals, Semin, Cam Ward, and pending raise for Skinner have them in a bind.

Do they have any bad contracts Feaster can take on do them?

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by PlayfulGenius

Do they have any bad contracts Feaster can take on do them?

Tuomo Ruutu I believe is a contract that Carolina may not be so fond of anymore.

[PlayfulGenius]

That's a perfect fit. Ruutu could play C in CGY next season.

Ruutu and 5th overall

For

Giordano and 27-30 overall

Hmm, perhaps not quite a great trade for CAR but its a good start

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by PlayfulGenius

That's a perfect fit. Ruutu could play C in CGY next season.

Ruutu and 5th overall

For

Giordano and 27-30 overall

Hmm, perhaps not quite a great trade for CAR but its a good start

Or RW. Whichever is good. I'd trade for him just because. Doesn't even have to involve the 5th overall. I am sure a good deal for his services could be reached. He is made from a bit of glass but when he is healthy he is a beast. The Flames need that.

[Henry Fool]

Originally Posted by AC

Looks like we already need an auto-correct to change Monohan into Monahan.

To me he'll always be Mahonen.

[Commandant]

Emile Poirier, a LW out of the QMJHL

http://lastwordonsports.com/2013/06/...yer-profile-52

[PlayfulGenius]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Or RW. Whichever is good. I'd trade for him just because. Doesn't even have to involve the 5th overall. I am sure a good deal for his services could be reached. He is made from a bit of glass but when he is healthy he is a beast. The Flames need that.

Agreed, I've always liked Tuomo...he is injured a lot though. Has it been said anywhere he has fallen out of favor in CAR??

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by PlayfulGenius

That's a perfect fit. Ruutu could play C in CGY next season.

Ruutu and 5th overall

For

Giordano and 27-30 overall

Hmm, perhaps not quite a great trade for CAR but its a good start

Zero chance that Giordano is moved - he is our best D-man and is likely the captain next year.

And you have to ice an actual hockey team - what would the D look like without Gio?

Some people are going to have to learn to have some patience - you can't trade your entire team and dress 20 draft picks next year.

A trade that might make sense though would be something like Ruutu and a 2nd for a 4th or 5th. Purely a cap purchase.

[moon]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

A trade that might make sense though would be something like Ruutu and a 2nd for a 4th or 5th. Purely a cap purchase.

Ruutu AND a second for crap?

That makes 0 sense for Carolina. Ruutu for a 2nd makes no sense for them.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by moon

Ruutu AND a second for crap?

That makes 0 sense for Carolina. Ruutu for a 2nd makes no sense for them.

If they want to get rid of his contract it does. Whether or not they do however, I am not sure (and I doubt that they are in that much trouble, looking at capgeek). Just replying to the poster that brought it up.

[PlayfulGenius]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Zero chance that Giordano is moved - he is our best D-man and is likely the captain next year.

And you have to ice an actual hockey team - what would the D look like without Gio?

Some people are going to have to learn to have some patience - you can't trade your entire team and dress 20 draft picks next year.

A trade that might make sense though would be something like Ruutu and a 2nd for a 4th or 5th. Purely a cap purchase.

If Gio is untouchable then the Flames mgmt team is poor. He may be the Flames best D, but he's not so good to not be considered a movable asset in a rebuild, nor is he young enough to earn that status...he's no longer an improving player, in fact recent evidence suggests the opposite.

He's likely the remaining vet that could fetch the best package of futures moving forward, so that possibility should be explored, at the very least.

And, can we stop with the "you can't trade everyone" bs???

The Flames have traded 2 vets thus far, to suggest 1 or 2 more get moved is hardly beyond reason.

[Saqe]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Or RW. Whichever is good. I'd trade for him just because. Doesn't even have to involve the 5th overall. I am sure a good deal for his services could be reached. He is made from a bit of glass but when he is healthy he is a beast. The Flames need that.

Ruutu would actually be a good fit for Calgary. Solid guy and isn´t the type of player who would just mail it in if the team sucked. It´s not a good contract though but that doesn´t really matter in the current situation.

[Max Cow Disease]

Reflecting back on the STH session, Feaster mentioned that they don't want to draft a "project" this time around, and would like someone who can help them "yesterday", as far as being NHL-ready is concerned. Does this mean they may be shying away from Lindholm due to his intent to remain in the SEL for at least another year?