EF: (1) Pittsburgh Penguins vs (4) Boston Bruins. (Bruins SWEEP Pittsburgh 4-0!!).

[doctajones428]

Originally Posted by Claude Julien

"I've said it before, and I'm certainly not going to change my mind because it happened to one of our players, but I've always said that we have to educate our players to not put themselves in vulnerable positions,"

and

Originally Posted by Claude Julien

"I'll be honest with you, I have no issues if he's not suspended because I'm not convinced it's a suspendable thing, but I'm certainly not going to say that the referees didn't make the right decision, because I think they did in assessing the penalty."

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by flameswin

How is 6th in forward ice time closer to 4th than 1st line minutes?

The first line average (top 3 forwards) was 20:37

crosby 24:21
Dupuis 19:10
Malkin 18:19


The fourth line was Adams 8:19 and Jokinen 11:49 Average 9:59

Iginla's 13:53 was 6:47 behind the #1 line and 3:54 ahead of the fourth line.


His ice time was much closer to 4th line minutes than top line minutes.

In Calgary he almost always had top line minutes.... either 1st or 2nd of all forwards.

[Lanny_McDonald]

I thought Iginla looked like Iginla has looked the past three years, and that isn't a compliment. Behind the play and disinterested unless the play is headed toward the opposition goal is the way to describe Iginla. I suspect he'll be on a shorter leash with the Pens down and playing a Bruins squad that excels at counterpunching and taking advantage of mistakes.

[Bertuzzied]

Originally Posted by doctajones428

I thought you were a good poster but you're really turning into quite the idiot.

Are you Iginla's agent? I really doubt he has any regret

When Boston wins the cup and he doesn't, he won't have any regrets?

[doctajones428]

Originally Posted by Bertuzzied

When Boston wins the cup and he doesn't, he won't have any regrets?

Did Boston win the cup? It was game 1

[OILFAN #81]

It won't matter anyways. Chicago will beat either Boston/Pittsburgh in the finals!

[doctajones428]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

Kicked out of the game for that? I totally disagree.

Cooke hit a guy from behind who was squarely facing the boards. Marchand hit a guy from behind (more of a shove imo) who wasn't facing the boards and who went in at an angle.

Cooke hit a guy from behind when he clearly had time to either slow down and rub the guy into the boards or not hit him at all. He chose to hit him anyways without slowing down.

They were not identical hits and didn't deserve identical punishment. I thought both calls were correct.

Marchand had all the time in the world to not touch Neal but he still took the time to reach out and bump him in the numbers five feet from the boards

Maybe it's not comparable to Cooke on McQuaid but it was very comparable to Ovechkin on Cambpell (5, a game, 2 game suspension)

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by trackercowe

He needs to sign somewhere else next year where he will be more depended upon for scoring, but still not the #1 or #2 guy on the team. A place like Detroit, Ottawa, or even Vancouver (ugh) are situations that should meet those needs.

It's surely looking like the Penguins aren't a good fit for him going forward if Blysma is still the head coach. The problem with Iginla is if he's not matched with the top forwards on the team he's not going to be of use as he no longer carries a line. At this point I hate to say it but playing on the wing with the Sedins is probably the best thing for his career going forward.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Machiavelli

Yeah I've gotta say I haven't enjoyed watching Iginla at all, points or not. He really needs to start forcing the issue and earning his ice time. I absolutely believe he is still capable of being a bull out there. He looks like he's holding back and it's disappointing to watch.

I don't know what he's thinking, but if he plans to coast to a Cup on the coattails of Crosby and Malkin, he'd better rethink that strategy.

He doesn't have it, Mach. Doesn't have the extra gear, too stubborn/incapable of adapting his game to be more effective and seemingly unwilling to do the difficult things it takes to consistently win. Holding back? How likely is that? He should have been fired up for game one of the conference final, and there was certainly enough effort from his teammates to stimulate that, but he came out flat and seemingly unfocused, Game 7 Anaheim style.

He doesn't have it in him to play that game and now that he's gone it's easier to contemplate that he never did. Other posters have said it, he's playing the same way he has for years, it's just that it looks appalling when you're playing with players who are half-way decent against teams that are half-way decent in games that are half-way meaningful and not against teams like the Oilers with players like Tanguay. It's not age and it's not conditioning.

This might be good for his game and longevity going forward, an experience like this, playing with someone like Morrow. He's got the ability to be an effective player late into the twilight of his career, but this shell of a game he's playing isn't going to keep him in the league for very long.

[puckluck2]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

He doesn't have it, Mach. Doesn't have the extra gear, too stubborn/incapable of adapting his game to be more effective and seemingly unwilling to do the difficult things it takes to consistently win. Holding back? How likely is that? He should have been fired up for game one of the conference final, and there was certainly enough effort from his teammates to stimulate that, but he came out flat and seemingly unfocused, Game 7 Anaheim style.

He doesn't have it in him to play that game and now that he's gone it's easier to contemplate that he never did. Other posters have said it, he's playing the same way he has for years, it's just that it looks appalling when you're playing with players who are half-way decent against teams that are half-way decent in games that are half-way meaningful and not against teams like the Oilers with players like Tanguay. It's not age and it's not conditioning.

This might be good for his game and longevity going forward, an experience like this, playing with someone like Morrow. He's got the ability to be an effective player late into the twilight of his career, but this shell of a game he's playing isn't going to keep him in the league for very long.

Iginla doesn't have the extra gear? Were you asleep the last 17 years? I'm beginning to think you are obsessed with Iginla. You were pathetic with your hatred towards him when he was a Flame and you're now foaming at the mouth to hit him while he's down. Did he kick your dog or something? Poison your puppy as a little child? You're obsessed. Is he playing great? no, but which Penguin has been playing above average for all of the playoffs? Crosby has taken 2 games off for every stellar game he plays. Malkin screws up almost every pp and is terrible defensively.

Iginla is being used as the LW for the FIRST time in his career, it's no wonder he's having so much trouble adjusting and getting 2nd pp time even though he's lit it up with the Penguins on the pp since joining them. Pathetic coaching is just as much as an excuse IMO.

And you do understand that Morrow was playing the exact same way as Iginla which is why Dallas traded him? Morrow hardly showed up this year and they were shopping him early on. He wasn't showing any fire, and regained some of that fire playing for Pittsburgh in the first 5-7 games but has gone even more silent than Iginla in the playoffs and the latter half of the season. I think it's cute that you think Iginla should learn something from a glorified 3rd liner.

And to suggest he's too stubborn to change his game is ludicrous. Did you forget he lost weight so he could adjust to the "new NHL". So if he's too stubborn and "incapable" of changing his game why did he do it the first time and what makes you think he won't do it again? Iginla is playing fine in the role he's been given. Which any player would have a hard time succeeding in. Playing LW for the first time in their 17 year career and joining a new team after spending the rest of your career as the 'go-to guy.

The Iginla bashing is pathetic and it's from the same guys that bashed him while he was here. Don't be so obsessed with Iginla, and just enjoy the great hockey? Especially since all you do is point to Iginla's negatives and his ice time like a little kid who wants to be noticed but tries to make people read between the lines to hear their cries. If you want to mention how much he sucks and is useless by continuing to point out his low ice time then do it and spare us the drama.

[Dion]

[Rudee]

I wonder where Iggy will sign in the offseason. It's a slim chance that the Pens will sign him in the offseason.

[Kaine]

Originally Posted by Rudee

I wonder where Iggy will sign in the offseason. It's a slim chance that the Pens will sign him in the offseason.

He looks very out of place on a Pens team that focuses on finesse and speed. I honestly think one of the teams he might fit best with just based on how the team plays and what Iggy can still bring to the table is the Kings.

Not saying they would try to sign him or have the cap space to do so as I have paid little attention to next years cap situation for other teams but it seems like that would be a much better fit then the current Pens system.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by puckluck2

The Iginla bashing is pathetic and it's from the same guys that bashed him while he was here.

You mean the guys that were right? The guys that knew that the Flames should have moved on years ago for the betterment of both sides? The Flames ended up getting the equivalent of what Paul Gaustad brought in for the Sabres and Iginla is reduced to CBC PBP personalities taking shots at him for being too slow. Things could have and should have ended up better for both sides although Iginla still has a chance to at least get a cup even if it is at a reduced role and I still hope he gets it as I hold nothing against the man now he's gone.

The last four Flames seasons have been essentially a waste as the organization accomplished nothing all because of the sole focus on one player over the entire team.

Anyway this isn't the thread to discuss this so I won't go on any further but if there's anything more annoying than posters taking shots at Iginla it's his White Knights coming to his rescue. He's gone and we don't have to argue about him anymore.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Rudee

I wonder where Iggy will sign in the offseason. It's a slim chance that the Pens will sign him in the offseason.

This from the DB that spammed every thread up until Iginla was traded to the Penguins telling us all how there was no way the Penguins were going to trade for Iginla.

[puckluck2]

Originally Posted by Rudee

I wonder where Iggy will sign in the offseason. It's a slim chance that the Pens will sign him in the offseason.

Aren't you the guy who guaranteed Iginla wouldn't go to the Pens at the deadline because the Pens didn't want him because he was too slow? Good to finally see you again after embarassing yourself in that thread.

[puckluck2]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

You mean the guys that were right? The guys that knew that the Flames should have moved on years ago for the betterment of both sides? The Flames ended up getting the equivalent of what Paul Gaustad brought in for the Sabres and Iginla is reduced to CBC PBP personalities taking shots at him for being too slow. Things could have and should have ended up better for both sides although Iginla still has a chance to at least get a cup even if it is at a reduced role and I still hope he gets it as I hold nothing against the man now he's

The last four Flames seasons have been essentially a waste as the organization accomplished nothing all because of the sole focus on one player over the entire team.

Anyway this isn't the thread to discuss this so I won't go on any further but if there's anything more annoying than posters taking shots at Iginla it's his White Knights coming to his rescue. He's gone and we don't have to argue about him anymore.

Why did you quote my post? I said the Iginla bashers not the guys that wanted him gone for the betterment of our team in the future. It is obvious who hates Iginla and who just wanted him gone so the Flames could finally rebuild. Those same haters are the ones still making up BS even after he's gone and the hate looks to be on a personal level.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

You mean the guys that were right? The guys that knew that the Flames should have moved on years ago for the betterment of both sides? The Flames ended up getting the equivalent of what Paul Gaustad brought in for the Sabres and Iginla is reduced to CBC PBP personalities taking shots at him for being too slow. Things could have and should have ended up better for both sides although Iginla still has a chance to at least get a cup even if it is at a reduced role and I still hope he gets it as I hold nothing against the man now he's gone.

The last four Flames seasons have been essentially a waste as the organization accomplished nothing all because of the sole focus on one player over the entire team.

Anyway this isn't the thread to discuss this so I won't go on any further but if there's anything more annoying than posters taking shots at Iginla it's his White Knights coming to his rescue. He's gone and we don't have to argue about him anymore.

Great post. His best years are behind him and the speed of the game has caught up with him. Iginla should have been moved years ago when we could have gotten something better in return.

It's hard to watch him playing a reduced role and it has to be hard on Iginla. Never easy watching a star player in the twilight of his career.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by puckluck2

Why did you quote my post? I said the Iginla bashers not the guys that wanted him gone for the betterment of our team in the future. It is obvious who hates Iginla and who just wanted him gone so the Flames could finally rebuild. Those same haters are the ones still making up BS even after he's gone and the hate looks to be on a personal level.

Who are these Iginla bashers?

Ones that disagree with your opinion of Iginla?

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

You mean the guys that were right? The guys that knew that the Flames should have moved on years ago for the betterment of both sides? The Flames ended up getting the equivalent of what Paul Gaustad brought in for the Sabres and Iginla is reduced to CBC PBP personalities taking shots at him for being too slow. Things could have and should have ended up better for both sides although Iginla still has a chance to at least get a cup even if it is at a reduced role and I still hope he gets it as I hold nothing against the man now he's gone.

The last four Flames seasons have been essentially a waste as the organization accomplished nothing all because of the sole focus on one player over the entire team.

Anyway this isn't the thread to discuss this so I won't go on any further but if there's anything more annoying than posters taking shots at Iginla it's his White Knights coming to his rescue. He's gone and we don't have to argue about him anymore.

Yeah, take it to the "Flames have the top line C, depth down the middle, and tough to beat D but top line RW is the problem" thread.

Iggy did a lot of good work on the boards here to no avail on many an occasion and backchecked often as well, and has had a lot of non-PP offensive creativity in Pitt. His defensive acumen dwarfs Malkin's, but he is of course a winger.

But it is always good to come in for the "Iggy sucks" circle jerk.