Flames 2013 Draft Discussion

[Southside]

Originally Posted by calgARI

Implying that Feaster talks for the sake of talking. He loves spouting off about nothing and showing his hand despite there being zero value in doing so. What would he possibly have to gain by publicly ruling anything out? The team sucks and should be open to everything.

Furthermore, Feaster has constantly said things that he hasn't acted consistently to support. One example is his whole thing about the organization not rebuilding at least while he is GM.

This is not intended to start a bunch of discussion about Feaster as GM - there are plenty of threads about that. All I'm saying is that he talks a ton and is pretty much incompetent so if he says they won't trade down, I wouldn't read much into it. It's just Feaster being Feaster making bold, baseless statements.

Same goes for no trade clauses.

[$ven27]

Sven + Brodie + 7th + Gio and that probably isn't enough.

[Hockey_Ninja]

Originally Posted by OILFAN #81

Would Calgary have interest in moving down?

Can confirm Oilers have had talks with multiple teams slotted 1-6 (including Calgary).

0% chance. Especially to our biggest rival.

[albertGQ]

Originally Posted by $ven27

Sven + Brodie + 7th + Gio and that probably isn't enough.

What trade proposal is this for?

It doesn't even make sense

[$ven27]

Originally Posted by albertGQ

What trade proposal is this for?

It doesn't even make sense

What 90% of people were talking about on that page, trading for the #1 pick..

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by $ven27

Sven + Brodie + 7th + Gio and that probably isn't enough.

That package gets you almost any player in the league. The over-rating of undrafted players is getting a bit much.

[$ven27]

Originally Posted by New Era

That package gets you almost any player in the league. The over-rating of undrafted players is getting a bit much.

Not over rating, overpaying. Which is required when you're trying to get the 1st overall pick. But no it doesn't, you could easily name 10 players that you wouldn't trade that package for.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by $ven27

Not over rating, overpaying. Which is required when you're trying to get the 1st overall pick. But no it doesn't, you could easily name 10 players that you wouldn't trade that package for.

Hence the almost. Any GM in the league that would not take two top four defensemen, one of which is under 25, a blue chip prospect not yet 22, and a top six draft pick for a number one draft pick, when there is no consensus number one pick, is insane and should not be running a team. How many times does it have to be said that there is no consensus on the number one pick and that every team is going to have a different draft list? Because of the volatility of this draft you may get the player you want at number six, especially if you are in search of a center. There are plenty of people who are already saying McKinnon may end up on the wing! So are you grossly over-rating the number one pick? Yes. Without doubt.

[moon]

Originally Posted by New Era

There are plenty of people who are already saying McKinnon may end up on the wing! So are you grossly over-rating the number one pick? Yes. Without doubt.

Which people are saying this?

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by moon

Which people are saying this?

It's been mentioned in several threads.

[moon]

Originally Posted by New Era

It's been mentioned in several threads.

By posters or experts?

I have seen a casual question about this by one guy (Button I think) but all reports I read talk about him being a prototypical center at the NHL level.

[Roof-Daddy]

Well, now that the Conference Finalists have been finalized, all our picks are set in stone except the Penguins first rounder, which will end up 27th-30th.

The Senators 7th rounder we acquired also settles in at 198th overall.



1. 1st Round Flames (6th Overall)
2. 1st Round Blues (22nd Overall) **Aquired in Bouwmeester trade
3. 1st Round Penguins (27th-30th Overall) **Acquired in Iginla trade
4. 3rd Round Flames (67th Overall)
5. 4th Round Flames (97th Overall)
6. 5th Round Blue Jackets (135th Overall) **Acquired in Comeau trade
7. 6th Round Flames (157th Overall)
8. 7th Round Flames (187th Overall)
9. 7th Round Senators (198th Overall) **Acquired from Chicago in Karlsson trade

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by New Era

How many times does it have to be said that there is no consensus on the number one pick and that every team is going to have a different draft list? Because of the volatility of this draft you may get the player you want at number six, especially if you are in search of a center. There are plenty of people who are already saying McKinnon may end up on the wing! So are you grossly over-rating the number one pick? Yes. Without doubt.

I'd be astonished if MacKinnon went as low as third. And he's certainly not going any lower than that.

There may not be consensus on the order of the top three, but you can bet there's close to consensus on who those three are. Then you have four or five more players who are a step down, but no consensus on their rankings.

But you're dreaming if you think there isn't a big difference in valuation between the sixth pick and the first.

Here's my pitch to acquire the first overall pick (and take MacKinnon):

Premise: The Avs love Drouin and think they can get him at 3rd.
Premise: The Lightning love Nichushkin and think they can get him 6th.

To Tampa: 6th overall pick, PIT first round pick, Backlund
To Calgary: 3rd overall pick, Ryan Malone

Flames don't think Backlund with ever be more than a 3rd line C. Malone is a salary dump for Tampa.

To Colorado: 3rd overall pick, Tanguay*, Broissot.
To Calgary: 1st overall pick.

* Flames pay half of Tanguay's salary.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by OILFAN #81

Would Calgary have interest in moving down?

Can confirm Oilers have had talks with multiple teams slotted 1-6 (including Calgary).

Feaster said tonight they will not move down and will be extremely aggressive in trying to move up

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Feaster said tonight they will not move down and will be extremely aggressive in trying to move up

Really unfortunate that it sounds like we may be expending extra assets in order to move up in this draft, when all it would have taken was losses to ANA and DET down the stretch and we would already have the first overall pick.

Still cannot believe Carolina, Tampa and even Nashville crashed and burned bad enough to finish below us in the standings.

[Jacks]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Premise: The Avs love Drouin and think they can get him at 3rd.

I'd bet that the Avs are taking Jones 100%.

[albertGQ]

Originally Posted by $ven27

What 90% of people were talking about on that page, trading for the #1 pick..

Well, we have the 6th pick. Not 7th

Wasn't sure if you're making a proposal for the 7th pick or meant #6

[MikaelBacklund]

I've wanted the Flames to land Mackinnon for a while now, I think he's going to be real good, but I don't think he's worth trading our 2014 1st (Which in my mind should be top 3; great chance of being 1st) plus the flames 6th overall pick this year and then some. I know about other fans, but I feel like next season will be MUCH more painful if we have no 1st round pick of our own to be optimistic about. Now if this was the 2015 draft and we were discussing this possible trade for McDavid, I would understand as by then the flames have acquired more prospects (hopefully) and can afford to pull the trigger on that deal. I feel completely comfortable with the Flames entering this draft with 3 1st round draft picks, and am excited to see who they draft as I am starting to really believe in their drafting as of late. Also, the player the flames take at 6th will be just as good if not a better prospect compared to Baertschi when he was first drafted (If they don't go completely off board; which I can't see happening).

[Matty81]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Really unfortunate that it sounds like we may be expending extra assets in order to move up in this draft, when all it would have taken was losses to ANA and DET down the stretch and we would already have the first overall pick.

Still cannot believe Carolina, Tampa and even Nashville crashed and burned bad enough to finish below us in the standings.

Made the 2 or 3 loudmouths personally attacking anybody cheering for a better pick in the gamethreads happy for a night or two anyway.

Spilt milk now and honestly from all I've read about Lindholm and Monahan I think either would be a really nice piece to start rebuilding around with Baertschi, Brodie and Backlund. Hopefully if we do move up we don't give up more than the Pens pick. Two 1sts in this draft would be a nice start and that 22nd pick will bring in a really nice prospect.

It's going to be a long road to contention for this team and one player won't turn the team around in one season, will probably be a couple drafts before we have a shot at a cup again anyway

[sun]

Originally Posted by Matty81

Made the 2 or 3 loudmouths personally attacking anybody cheering for a better pick losses in the gamethreads happy for a night or two anyway.

Sure did! Still happy about it BTW.