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Big difference is that the camera on your laptop or cell phone isn't always on and connected to Microsoft's network. And the issue isn't so much worrying about hacking as it is an invasion of privacy. How long do you figure before we hear about the first police warrant to get Microsoft to hand over the footage from someone's Xbox One? With how incarceration happy the US government is I bet they're just salivating at the thought of potentially millions of people voluntarily sticking a surveillance system in their living rooms
Couple problems...
1. The camera always on and connected to Microsoft's network? A phone is connected to a cellular provider's network. The Xbox One - let's assume for argument sake (since I don't know with any certainty) - is connected all the time to the Xbox Live servers. If I open the Camera app to take a picture with my cell phone, could someone view the image during the time which my camera is active? What stops someone from compromising my cellular phone and doing the same thing?
And if the argument is "But the camera is on all the time", well if someone has the skill to hack your phone, I'm sure they have the skill to get the mic and camera to turn on too and record audio/video. And cell phone cameras do not have a little LED indicating that they're on.
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2. Hand over what footage? You're assuming they're even recording it. What purpose would that serve?
The only thing I would speculate that might be sent back to the Microsoft servers is voice metrics, used to tune the voice recognition system. Windows Phone, for example, must have a data connection (WiFi or Cellular) to use voice recognition because the voice patterns it uses aren't stored on the phone - it's cloud-based, which allows the recognition to improve as people use it. Apple's Siri is the same way.
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And people should be concerned about MS knowing their feelings about something because...
We're afraid of the day that advertising actually becomes super effective and we're powerless to resist its charms. "Hey, I know you want this. Yeah you, on the couch. I saw you spill that water on the carpet the other day. Buy a Shamwow. I'll show you some boobs later if you do, promise."
I'm not sure, actually. Unless I missed it, I don't remember anyone officially saying the camera is "always on", and nothing that says that the camera needs to be on at the same time as the microphone, which is waiting for the voice command.
Process could be:
You: "Xbox on."
[microphone detects command, camera turns on and recognizes user]
2. Hand over what footage? You're assuming they're even recording it. What purpose would that serve?
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Microsoft filed a patent application back in 2011 that detailed how Kinect could watch viewers to make sure they’re sitting through commercials and then reward them with special “achievements” for watching a certain number of ads.
Even more ominously, the patent says that Kinect “may be configured to track the viewing behaviors of one or more viewers,” and “may then compile one or more user-specific reports of the viewing behaviors,” which suggests that Microsoft will be keeping a database filled with users’ viewing profiles.
1. Filing a patent does not mean it is being implemented.
2. Tracking viewing behavior does not automatically mean capturing video, but more likely metrics. "User seems to watch the sports ads and get up from in front of the TV during car ads. Show more ads for sports." You're leaping to conclusions.
Have you ever wondered how all those lonely girls looking to meet a guy that show up on the side of your browser always seem to be from the same city you are? Or how the advertising you see often coincides with your own interests and personal tastes? Targeted advertising is nothing new. I'd prefer seeing ads that coincide with things I am interested in versus seeing ads for Tide with Bleach or something.
My first generation Xbox finally died last night. Considering it was the first generation (2007), I'm pretty fortunate that it has lasted until now. Should I get a new 360, or wait until the XboxOne comes out?
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Depends how much you use it. Xbox One will not be backwards compatible, so if you have a bunch of games you like playing and want to keep playing you will need a new one.
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My first generation Xbox finally died last night. Considering it was the first generation (2007), I'm pretty fortunate that it has lasted until now. Should I get a new 360, or wait until the XboxOne comes out?
Depending on what is wrong with it, you could just get it fixed by someone and hope it lasts until the new Xbox is out. My first gen PS3 died last summer, but has been running fine since I had it repaired for $50.
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Yeah my first gen 360 RRODed a bit ago, my nephew says I can borrow his, but I might get mine repaired. I wouldn't except for a stack of games I haven't played yet that I keep thinking I'll play "someday".
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Yeah my first gen 360 RRODed a bit ago, my nephew says I can borrow his, but I might get mine repaired. I wouldn't except for a stack of games I haven't played yet that I keep thinking I'll play "someday".
Just hold on to 'em till someone makes a good PC 360 emulator...in like 10 years.
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1. Filing a patent does not mean it is being implemented.
2. Tracking viewing behavior does not automatically mean capturing video, but more likely metrics. "User seems to watch the sports ads and get up from in front of the TV during car ads. Show more ads for sports." You're leaping to conclusions.
Have you ever wondered how all those lonely girls looking to meet a guy that show up on the side of your browser always seem to be from the same city you are? Or how the advertising you see often coincides with your own interests and personal tastes? Targeted advertising is nothing new. I'd prefer seeing ads that coincide with things I am interested in versus seeing ads for Tide with Bleach or something.
This is the camp I fall into as well. It's hard to get up in arms about this kind of thing if you use Gmail or Google Maps... you're already pretty comfortable providing analytic data about yourself to a massive corporation if you do.
I think we need to look at it realistically. If there are 20 million X1's across the globe, who the hell is actually recording any of it? Whoever tried would blow through storage before they had time to sit down. I think the point raised earlier is much more likely: there's a microphone that's on and all it's doing is waiting to hear the word "xbox".
I get that people get concerned about privacy, and you should. You should also gauge what's acceptable and not acceptable to you in that regard. I don't think we'll get much of a say on used games in this upcoming generation, but the privacy thing we probably will. Sony will likely be much more lenient (probably), so at least if you're truly freaked out you have a choice.
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The latest Rebel FM had some good points about the Kinect always on paranoia. Sure it's on but it's not really on - it's in low power state waiting for the user to activate it with a word command. If Microsoft was really watching and listening that #### would be exposed inside a week because people will be sniffing packets on release day fear not.
Also - the people terrified of Kinect watching you - how about the phone you carry around which has a camera and two microphones and you take to the bedroom and bathroom with you every waking moment of the day.
Also - the people terrified of Kinect watching you - how about the phone you carry around which has a camera and two microphones and you take to the bedroom and bathroom with you every waking moment of the day.
Well I usually have my phone in my pants pockets when I'm in the John and my pants arent see through...although that might be kinda fun. And unless you have a habit of keeping your phone in hand and in front of you while your dropping a deuce, I doubt they would hear much either. My experience with "hands free" with my phone indicates the mics aren't terrible effective unless they are close to your face.
Now compare that to a system that has a camera that was designed to have a wide field of vision and mics that were designed to hear people in a large room, that's a little different.
I totally get what you mean though and I tend to agree that there isn't much to worry about but understand why people may be a bit nervous about it.
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