It's definitely not just Star Trek. When was the last time a big budget sci-fi (especially a space epic) was actually both emotionally and intellectually satisfying? I have a really difficult time coming up with that, even thinking back fifteen years or so... all the satisfying sci-fi comes from relatively small-budget productions (Gattica, Moon, District 9, etc.).
I really enjoyed both of the Abrams Star Trek films as summer sci-fi blockbusters... but I also totally respect the perspective that they don't have the same values as the originals. None of the ST:TNG movies were really thought-provoking either. Mostly they were just cashing in on nostalgia in an even more blatant way than the recent movies.
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It's definitely not just Star Trek. When was the last time a big budget sci-fi (especially a space epic) was actually both emotionally and intellectually satisfying? I have a really difficult time coming up with that, even thinking back fifteen years or so... all the satisfying sci-fi comes from relatively small-budget productions (Gattica, Moon, District 9, etc.).
I really enjoyed both of the Abrams Star Trek films as summer sci-fi blockbusters... but I also totally respect the perspective that they don't have the same values as the originals. None of the ST:TNG movies were really thought-provoking either. Mostly they were just cashing in on nostalgia in an even more blatant way than the recent movies.
the problem to me with the new Star Treks is that they're really missing the emotional connection because they're going 5 million miles an hour and trying to pack as many laser shots and lense flares (I kid) into the movie.
You really don't have those quiet heartbeak moments like in the original series that lets you connect with the characters, and understand them. Its not like I don't like Pine's Kirk, but he's just so freaking one dimensional..
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the problem to me with the new Star Treks is that they're really missing the emotional connection because they're going 5 million miles an hour and trying to pack as many laser shots and lense flares (I kid) into the movie.
You really don't have those quiet heartbeak moments like in the original series that lets you connect with the characters, and understand them. Its not like I don't like Pine's Kirk, but he's just so freaking one dimensional..
I think the problem is they're trying too hard.
I like Simon Pegg and I like Karl Urban and I like Anton Yelchin, but while I laughed at many of their scenes, I just kept getting the feeling they were acting rather then that was who they were.
Too many forced attempts at conversations where no one in their right mind would be stopping to talk.
Too many places where characters clearly do something just to prolong the plot (most glaringly, when Khan and Spock were fighting on the barge/transport/whatever. He was beating the tar out of Spock and kept throwing him where there was plenty of places for him to land, rather than just throw him over the edge.
I thought both Peter Weller and Benedict Cumberbatch were guilty of some overacting at times.
A lot of minor niggling details that just seemed to disrupt any natural flow.
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Wow, I watched that risk is our business clip, and the female officer in red (disposable yeoman represent!), ended up playing the most annoying doctor ever on Next Generation for a year.
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That makes it even worse - so, presumably, this was a private project of Marcus'? That ship was, what, 8 times as big as Enterprise (2X as long, high, and wide) and he just used his expense account to build it and crew it? Where did he get the money, the materials, the construction crews? Or did Khan build the whole thing himself out of Lego blocks?
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Also those weren't officers on Marcus' ship, those were just private contractors and mercenaries. Scotty said as much when he ran into one in the escape hatch (which was a poorly written exchange mind you). So they likely knew of Marcus' plan, and were in on it all along. over our heads, but I'm glad they didn't end up bothering with Kirk's resurrection in the next movie.
You guys are clearly not DS9 fans. It's mentioned early on in the movie that Marcus is a part of Section 31. DS9 fans know that Section 31 is a semi-sanctioned black ops group of Starfleet that does whatever it wants, however it wants. It's well funded and just like the Special Ops line in the US budget, you could hide a bazillion latinum bars before anyone noticed. Marcus is one of many in Section 31, including I assume - the lackey blue shirts on the Dreadnought. Although it's entirely possible that Section 31 hired the Blackwater of the day...
It's this dude in DS9 that's Section 31. Clearly black leather = evil in Classic Trek.
Edit - S31 also appears in Enterprise - Malcom Reed was one of them I believe. But everyone was paying attention to Jolene Blalock and not much else I suspect....I know I was.
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Thought Cumberbach was brilliant and the twist with him being Khan was awesome. I knew Khan was in it somehow, but I didn't expect that. I thought Harrison was working for him or something.
Loved the reversal with Spock screaming "Khhaaaaann!!' after Kirk died. I thought a lot of characters had some good defining moments. McCoy had some dandy one liners, and his gizmos around Kirks face are hilarious. Chekov saving the day was great after the blunder with the ship. I liked Scotty's stance against the weapons, "I thought we were explorers". Sulus message to Harrison was hilarious and awesome at the same time.
There were some great moments between Kirk and Spock, although I will admit, Pine's ability to cry on cue is almost Bruce Willis bad.
Overall I really enjoyed it and I think the great villain had a lot to do with it. As far as Star Trek vs Iron Man 3, I think Star Trek was way better. And I'm the biggest Iron Man fan I know. Not that I think Iron Man 3 is bad, just that Into Darkness was better.
I actually enjoyed the movie until about 20 mins left to go. I've never witnessed a movie go so badly so quickly. They had a chance to make this series their own and really put their own stamp and twist on things, but instead chose to do what they did. This movie had a compelling villain and a fairly decent storyline, but as so many movies do it just fell apart trying to spin an amazing ending.
As the resident movie hater I have to stay I really enjoyed this film. The fact I had little to no knowledge of Star Trek going in probably let me enjoy the film more than devoted fans. All the small details that deviated from the main story line were wasted on me and I was just able to sit back and enjoy. The ending was a bit much and very rushed but 85% of the film was rock solid in my opinion. One of the best films I've seen this year.
Just saw it yesterday and it was maybe not quite the ride I wanted, more of a tries to hook you in and does but still struggles to keep you. Really neat elements like Kahn and Peter Wellers character both enhanced the intrigue. I think it still rates as better then many Star Trek films, was hoping it had the same feel as part 6 the undiscovered country, almost got there but not quite. If anything the visuals, everything from alien races to weapons to ships reminded me more of star wars, perhaps even more than the actual Star Wars prequels so bodes well for J.J.'s next project.
And Khan is a white dude with the last name Singh! Everything in this universe seems to be slightly different even before Nero arrived so people need to stop worrying about canon.
Finally got to watch this movie last night, loved it.
Favourite part:
Spoiler!
Chris Pine is the best, he should have been GL...
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