Flames 2013 Draft Discussion

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Hockeyboy2

Anthony Mantha is 6'4 and scored 50 goals in 69 games in the QMJHL as an 18 year old. Why is he rated 20-30 instead of top 10? I think Calgary should take a shot and draft him with the St. Louis pick.

It has been discussed in another thread here. Personally if he's available in the Blues or Penguins pick I hope the Flames will take him but obviously I'm just going off the fact that he's big, good skater, and a 50 goal scorer as I haven't scouted him. I think the slight on him is that he doesn't look like he's putting in the effort every night. If that's the case one has to wonder how good he could be if someone can light a flame under him.

[indes]

Originally Posted by Brick

Article on Sean Monahan:

http://www.nhl.com/ice/blogpost.htm?...id=DL|NHL|home

Man I hope we end up with this kid, seems to fit exactly what this team needs.

[TurdFerguson]

I'm interested to see what the addition of Roy who will now be a part of all "player personal decisions" has to the draft process of the Avs. I'm sure he knows MacKinnon well from playing him in the Q.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by indes

Man I hope we end up with this kid, seems to fit exactly what this team needs.

My biggest fear is that when the Flames go up to the podium that they spit out a name from left field and then after tell us; "we had him ranked as a top 3 player in this draft blah, blah, blah...". If they bypass this kid and Lindholm it's going to feel just like 1998 when they called up Rico Fata. Got a bad feeling then and I feel there would be so much disapointment and possibly even negative press that the kid may never live up to expectations unless the Flames scouts clearly see what scouts in general don't and prove everyone wrong. Would be hard to take especially knowing the Oilers would probably take Monahan next.

[The Yen Man]

I honestly think the "Feaster going off the board" arguments are a little overblown by fans and the media. They did it once with Jankowski. Baertschi wasn't an off the board pick. This management group has only had 2 drafts with the Flames. If they go off the board this time around, then we can argue it's a trend. For now, I am more inclined to believe it's more of a one off than a trend.

[nik-]

Yeah, if we don't end up with one of Monahan or Lindholm at 6, I'll be pretty disappointed.

[Max Cow Disease]

Originally Posted by Commandant

Hudson Fasching, a power forward out of the US National Team Development Program

http://lastwordonsports.com/2013/05/...er-profile-46/

One can't help but root for this kid. There's a good article about him in the Hockey News Draft Preview. It sounds like the guy splits his time between hockey and helping his parents take care of his severely handicapped siblings (who I don't think will be around for too much longer), and his remark about feeling like he "took all of the good genes" from his brother and sister was particularly touching.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by The Yen Man

I honestly think the "Feaster going off the board" arguments are a little overblown by fans and the media. They did it once with Jankowski. Baertschi wasn't an off the board pick. This management group has only had 2 drafts with the Flames. If they go off the board this time around, then we can argue it's a trend. For now, I am more inclined to believe it's more of a one off than a trend.

I'm not saying that I fully believe it will happen but it's always a possibility with any team. Weisbrod himself in the past year said something to the sort of a lot of the guys picked in the first round in the 2012 draft weren't even on the Flames list. Now I know teams have their own lists that can vary but I don't know what to make when your assistant GM says that most of the consensus top players in a 1st round aren't even on your list as it shows the Flames are really out there or maybe they are on to something other teams aren't.

[dammage79]

The paranoia surrounding Feaster making an off the board pick at six is a tad ridiculous. They aren't going to go out of their way to grab someone ranked 10-21 when there is a clear separation between 1-7 and 8-21.

They have drafted well and by no means deserve that concern from their fans.
Last year they took Jankowski after trading down and getting another pick in the top 60.
As of now, Jankowski/Seiloff looks far better than Teravainen or Maata.

[moon]

Originally Posted by dammage79

The paranoia surrounding Feaster making an off the board pick at six is a tad ridiculous. They aren't going to go out of their way to grab someone ranked 10-21 when there is a clear separation between 1-7 and 8-21.

They have drafted well and by no means deserve that concern from their fans.
Last year they took Jankowski after trading down and getting another pick in the top 60.
As of now, Jankowski/Seiloff looks far better than Teravainen or Maata.

It seems way, way too early to say that the drafting has been good or that the Flames picks look better (let alone far) than the guys available. As of now it looks about equal at best.

[the2bears]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I'm not saying that I fully believe it will happen but it's always a possibility with any team. Weisbrod himself in the past year said something to the sort of a lot of the guys picked in the first round in the 2012 draft weren't even on the Flames list. Now I know teams have their own lists that can vary but I don't know what to make when your assistant GM says that most of the consensus top players in a 1st round aren't even on your list as it shows the Flames are really out there or maybe they are on to something other teams aren't.

I don't remember the quote, but I do remember Weisbrod saying something about this. However, you've gone from "a lot" to "most", which can be a wide range. I'm not too worried myself, but I'll sure be pissed off if the picks get wasted on experiments.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by moon

It seems way, way too early to say that the drafting has been good or that the Flames picks look better (let alone far) than the guys available. As of now it looks about equal at best.

I'd rather take the chance at two decent prospects over one. And it still does not warrant the fear that they're going to take a Lazar or Shinkaruk over Monahan, Lindholm or whatever else falls from the top five. I can understand having some paranoia about management making trades of UFA signings but the draft is something different all together. They know all too well how very important this draft is for them. They won't get goofy with the #6 pick. I am confident in that.

[moon]

Originally Posted by dammage79

I'd rather take the chance at two decent prospects over one. And it still does not warrant the fear that they're going to take a Lazar or Shinkaruk over Monahan, Lindholm or whatever else falls from the top five. I can understand having some paranoia about management making trades of UFA signings but the draft is something different all together. They know all too well how very important this draft is for them. They won't get goofy with the #6 pick. I am confident in that.

My concern is that they seem to think that they are smarter than everyone else and that they have figured something out that nobody else has despite all the evidence showing the exact opposite.

They likely do make a decent pick but this group of "hockey minds" have shown absolutely nothing at all to earn the benefit of the doubt and shown everything to make people worry about their ability to judge talent and make smart decisions.

[Joe Nieuwendyk]

Originally Posted by moon

My concern is that they seem to think that they are smarter than everyone else and that they have figured something out that nobody else has despite all the evidence showing the exact opposite.

They likely do make a decent pick but this group of "hockey minds" have shown absolutely nothing at all to earn the benefit of the doubt and shown everything to make people worry about their ability to judge talent and make smart decisions.

I think if they go off the board, it will be in the later picks. I don't think it's likely that they make a surprise pick at 6. They may, however, trade that pick for something in the 10-12 range to acquire some additional picks - that scenario scares me more.

[bucksmasher]

Originally Posted by Joe Nieuwendyk

I think if they go off the board, it will be in the later picks. I don't think it's likely that they make a surprise pick at 6. They may, however, trade that pick for something in the 10-12 range to acquire some additional picks - that scenario scares me more.

According to intellectually honest jay feaster, they wont trade the #6 pick unless they are moving up.

[The Yen Man]

Originally Posted by moon

My concern is that they seem to think that they are smarter than everyone else and that they have figured something out that nobody else has despite all the evidence showing the exact opposite.

They likely do make a decent pick but this group of "hockey minds" have shown absolutely nothing at all to earn the benefit of the doubt and shown everything to make people worry about their ability to judge talent and make smart decisions.

I just think it's too early to judge. So far, I've been pretty happy with their later round picks, with guys like Wotherspoon, Seiloff, Gilles, and Gaudreau. Jankowski is the big question mark that I think this scouting staff / management group will be heavily judged on, and rightfully so.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

My biggest fear is that when the Flames go up to the podium that they spit out a name from left field and then after tell us; "we had him ranked as a top 3 player in this draft blah, blah, blah...". If they bypass this kid and Lindholm it's going to feel just like 1998 when they called up Rico Fata. Got a bad feeling then and I feel there would be so much disapointment and possibly even negative press that the kid may never live up to expectations unless the Flames scouts clearly see what scouts in general don't and prove everyone wrong. Would be hard to take especially knowing the Oilers would probably take Monahan next.

I'm not worried about the 6th pick. From past interviews from Weisbrod, both Lindholm and Monahan seem to fit the criteria. At worst they pick Nurse, though "worse" is not the right word.

I am worried about the 2 later picks. I remember Weisbrod saying that they had Seiloff high enough that they would have taken him at 21 if Jankowski was gone. Not sure how the criteria could have made Seiloff jump that high?

Also worried that the flames will trade one of the latter picks for a youngster ready to make the nhl. They have seemed to miss the mark when going this route with Butler and Byron.

So in conclusion, i am excited for the 6th pick and nervous for the latter picks.

[dammage79]

This one one of the best prospect pools the Flames have had in a decade. There is a better chance at having more than one or two of our own prospects making the NHL in the next few years. More so over the shallow pool they have had prior to what? 07? Backlund, Brodie and Bouma are pretty much they only three the Flames have that were actually drafted by the Flames. Wotherspoon will for sure be an NHL'er. Seiloff has a good shot, Ramage as well. Offensively have there been as many Flames prospect to be excited about? Gaudreau, Sven, Reinhart are already showing promise. Then add a few exciting but risky picks like Janko, Granlund, Arnold. This is better than what we have had in years.

[T@T]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I'm not saying that I fully believe it will happen but it's always a possibility with any team. Weisbrod himself in the past year said something to the sort of a lot of the guys picked in the first round in the 2012 draft weren't even on the Flames list. Now I know teams have their own lists that can vary but I don't know what to make when your assistant GM says that most of the consensus top players in a 1st round aren't even on your list as it shows the Flames are really out there or maybe they are on to something other teams aren't.

Maybe the flames should just fire their scouting staff and take the words of the CSS,ISS and Craig Button People look at these lists like there gospel but who is Dan Marr(CSS) or Stu Siegel(ISS)? and in case you forgot Craig Button is the idiot who traded our first line center for a bag of dog and released Martin St. Louis.

I get the feeling you don't like the Jankowski pick but when you look deep into it they took what the organization needed, a big skilled smooth skating center, yeah he's got some growing to do but who would have you picked? I can't find anything close to a potental 1st line center where they could have picked and of course Sieloff looked great before he got hurt.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by dammage79

The paranoia surrounding Feaster making an off the board pick at six is a tad ridiculous. They aren't going to go out of their way to grab someone ranked 10-21 when there is a clear separation between 1-7 and 8-21.

They have drafted well and by no means deserve that concern from their fans.
Last year they took Jankowski after trading down and getting another pick in the top 60.
As of now, Jankowski/Seiloff looks far better than Teravainen or Maata.

Feaster's input is probably minimal and I'm just going by what Weisbrod himself said. He's the guy that influenced the Jankowski pick to which the verdict is still out. I'm not saying that I don't trust their overall evaluations but like moon said I am somewhat worried that they are maybe trying too hard to outsmart everyone or find that hidden gem rather than take what appears to be a very good consensus player at their pick. Time will tell because we don't have a lot of history to go by with the current regime as most of the prospects are still in developement.