Rob Ford Transgressions Thread

[octothorp]

Originally Posted by transplant99

I didnt suggest anything actually, but thanks for putting words in my mouth.

All i said is that nothing in that article corroborates the alleged video....and in fact i did say i wouldnt be surprised if it was real to begin with.

But thanks for the derail.

Actually, I was very careful not to put words in your mouth. I set out what seems to be the alternate theory based on your idea that this firing was about his alcohol addiction, and then specifically asked you if this is what you think.

If I was putting words in your mouth, I would have assumed that this was your argument without asking you to confirm it.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by octothorp

Actually, I was very careful not to put words in your mouth. I set out what seems to be the alternate theory based on your idea that this firing was about his alcohol addiction, and then specifically asked you if this is what you think.

If I was putting words in your mouth, I would have assumed that this was your argument without asking you to confirm it.

Actually, and once again, i never presented a theory of any kind...only stated that nothing in the article in question corroborates anything to do with the alleged video.

Fords alcohol problems are fairly well documented and quite undeniable at this point, so rehab could simply have been for that along with the time rehab would take for his CoS would need to attempt to get ahead of the video thing.

I do find it impressive the list of those that thanked your original response to me though.... LOL!

[Bobblehead]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Im curious as to what you believe this corroborates.

Im all about this guy getting ousted from office as its perfectly clear he is little more than a circus sideshow at this point, but nothing mentioned in that article suggests that there is drug use (though nothing would surprise me at this point). The former CoS wanted him to hit rehab, but no where does it say it was for crack use...and in fact it has long been suggested he has alcohol problems ....which would make more sense, but also possibly lead to really bad decisions which could include the alleged incident.

At this point....we still simply have no idea if things happened as suggested or not, anymore than we did a week ago.

I will say this though...the guy should just resign and call it a day, get some help and maybe give it a try in the future after much apologizing and some contrition.

Looks like presenting a theory to me.

[Tinordi]

http://www2.macleans.ca/2013/05/24/r...for-you-to-go/

Years hence, we’ll cringe to remember that, for a few days, a cross-border scheme to funnel $200,000 in crowdfunded money to drug dealers was widely viewed as Toronto’s last, best shot at political accountability.

[kipperfan]

Wow, there are some hardcore R Ford appoligists in here, whether they want to admit that or not, is becoming riduculously evident. My question to said appoligists is, are you appoligists because of a personal or political liking for Ford or simply to, once again, take up against the "left wingers"? Because, for example, if the person involved in this scandal was Justin Trudeau and not Rob Ford I am betting the reaction from a few posters would be drastically different, like 180 degrees different.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by kipperfan

Wow, there are some hardcore R Ford appoligists in here, whether they want to admit that or not, is becoming riduculously evident. My question to said appoligists is, are you appoligists because of a personal or political liking for Ford or simply to, once again, take up against the "left wingers"? Because, for example, if the person involved in this scandal was Justin Trudeau and not Rob Ford I am betting the reaction from a few posters would be drastically different, like 180 degrees different.

I'm hardly a ford apologist, Unless asking for actual proof is being an apologist.

Ket me ask you the counter question, if Rob Ford was replaced with our mayor, would people be making the dramatic and massive leaps to guilt without any actual evidence so quickly?

Neither myself or any of the others are arguing here to protect Ford or his policies, or his previous behaviour.

We're just not buying the thing blankly based on the words of a newspaper who has already erroneously accused Ford of doing something that he didn't do.

And the Gawker thing, I just don't trust any source internet or printed that's not willing to totally commit to an exclusive.

[kipperfan]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

I'm hardly a ford apologist, Unless asking for actual proof is being an apologist.

Ket me ask you the counter question, if Rob Ford was replaced with our mayor, would people be making the dramatic and massive leaps to guilt without any actual evidence so quickly?

Neither myself or any of the others are arguing here to protect Ford or his policies, or his previous behaviour.

We're just not buying the thing blankly based on the words of a newspaper who has already erroneously accused Ford of doing something that he didn't do.

And the Gawker thing, I just don't trust any source internet or printed that's not willing to totally commit to an exclusive.

If this was Nenshi (lol at the thought of it) I would probably be asking for his resgination right about now. The gawker thing is pretty damning (as mentioned, they have no reason to make things up and if they were going to make things up they certainly wouldnt be about Rob Ford,Toronto...or Canada for that matter) but having security walk his chief of staff out the door for mentioing rehab indicates to me that the guy obvoiusly has a seroius problem (even if, by chance, that problem isn't crack) and needs to step down ASAP.

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by kipperfan

If this was Nenshi (lol at the thought of it) I would probably be asking for his resgination right about now. The gawker thing is pretty damning (as mentioned, they have no reason to make things up and if they were going to make things up they certainly wouldnt be about Rob Ford,Toronto...or Canada for that matter) but having security walk his chief of staff out the door for mentioing rehab indicates to me that the guy obvoiusly has a seroius problem (even if, by chance, that problem isn't crack) and needs to step down ASAP.

What sold the deal for me was him falling over with a football. If you can't take a snap, how can you lead a team?

[Senator Clay Davis]

Mayor Rob Ford’s executive committee is preparing to take the extraordinary step of publicly urging Toronto’s troubled leader to confront allegations of drug use, and is making contingency plans to run the city in his absence.

Amid an escalating crisis of confidence in the city’s leadership, members of Mr. Ford’s cabinet-like executive committee are drafting a statement, to be released Friday, attempting to reassure residents of Canada’s largest city, deputy mayor Doug Holyday said.

“The letter is really just stating what’s already been stated by myself and others throughout the week,” Mr. Holyday said in a news conference Friday. “The business of the city will continue as usual. And also, these members that are signing the letter are urging the mayor to come out and make a comment to the media and to the public.”

Councillor Gary Crawford, one of 12 councillors who sit on the mayor’s executive, said the “open letter” now has support from 4 or 5 members and will be signed by as many members of the committee as possible. But all councillors are concerned for the mayor, he said.

City Hall was the scene of frenetic activity and closed-door emergency meetings for much of Thursday after the mayor fired his chief of staff, one of his closest allies in the administration. The chief of staff, Mark Towhey, told his boss there was only one way out of a mounting scandal – seek help for your addiction, say two sources close to the administration.

It has not been established that Mr. Ford has an addiction.

Mr. Towhey made the demand as pressure mounted on Mr. Ford to respond to reports of a video showing him smoking crack cocaine, a source said. The plan was to quietly put the mayor on a plane to a rehab centre and issue a statement after he was gone.

Mr. Ford refused, the source said, and on Thursday Mr. Towhey was escorted by security from City Hall.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/...ticle12123758/

[Bill Bumface]

Can we get back to hating on Leno for a bit?

I hate how he cracks a joke, and every time, quietly and awkwardly mutters the punch line under his breath again, while everyone keeps pretending to laugh.

I'm sure it was: "Well he's still qualified to be the mayor of Washington D.C! right? Mayor... of Washington DC? He could still do that.. hehe"

That guy is the worst. What thread is Photon's rant?

[worth]

If this was happening in Calgary I would be asking for the Mayor to step down regardless of whether the allegations are true or not. How can Toronto function on the municipal level with this gong show going on? It is absolutely absurd to ask the people of Toronto to put up with the antics coming out of city hall since electing Ford.

[kipperfan]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/...ticle12123758/

Everyone knows the old "where there's smoke..." adage and right now it appears as though the Rogers Centre is burning to the ground there is so much smoke coming from downtown Toronto. Won't be long now until we see the Flames.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by hulkrogan

Can we get back to hating on Leno for a bit?

I hate how he cracks a joke, and every time, quietly and awkwardly mutters the punch line under his breath again, while everyone keeps pretending to laugh.

I'm sure it was: "Well he's still qualified to be the mayor of Washington D.C! right? Mayor... of Washington DC? He could still do that.. hehe"

That guy is the worst. What thread is Photon's rant?

the only time he was remotely funny was on Family Guy when he was stalking Tom Brady.

"Hey Brady, what suit do ya wanna be buried in"

[Northendzone]

the part of this whole debacle that blows my mind is - if you were elected mayor, why would you want to draw so much negative attention to yourself. try and live a clean stable life for a couple of years and then move on.....if you are going to some some jibby rock, then do it in your basement.

in some ways i laughed how calgary elected nenshi and TO elected teh real redneck.....

[Makarov]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

I'm hardly a ford apologist, Unless asking for actual proof is being an apologist.

Ket me ask you the counter question, if Rob Ford was replaced with our mayor, would people be making the dramatic and massive leaps to guilt without any actual evidence so quickly?

Neither myself or any of the others are arguing here to protect Ford or his policies, or his previous behaviour.

We're just not buying the thing blankly based on the words of a newspaper who has already erroneously accused Ford of doing something that he didn't do.

And the Gawker thing, I just don't trust any source internet or printed that's not willing to totally commit to an exclusive.

You are misusing the word "proof". "Proof" is evidence or reasoning which tends to prove or establish the truth of a statement or theory. We clearly already have a substantial amount of proof that Rob Ford smoked, at least on one occasion, crack cocaine.

The question is: do we have enough proof to convince you? Or perhaps the real question is this: what do you consider to be sufficient proof? A complete confession by Mr. Ford? A personal viewing of the video (although, it seems that the Star reporters are likely in a better position to recognize Mr. Ford than you would be; also, would you require that the continuity of the actual video be established before accepting it as untampered and legitimate)? What is the burden of proof in your mind?

Also, it seems to me that you are applying a far higher burden of proof with respect to Mr. Ford than you have to allegations regarding Ms. Redford. For example, you posted the following regarding the alleged conflict of interest in the award of the tobacco litigation file:

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

I find it sad that at every level of government we accept a lack of integrity with apathy and acceptance.

Redford neatly slipped a rope here but is showing that she's a very dishonest individual, or that she's just plain stupid and arrogant.

I was one of those idiots that didn't change my vote from PC in the last election because of the controversy at the end of the last election. But I dou't there's anyway in hell that I'll vote for the PC's as long as Redford or any of these clowns are still running in the next election.

I used to like my MLA but he's become a arrogant tw#t since the last election win.

[MissTeeks]

Statement forthcoming:

Marcus Gee‏@marcusbgee4m
A mob of reporters is pressing against the glass doors of the mayor's office in anticipation of being let in for a statement from the mayor.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Makarov

You are misusing the word "proof". "Proof" is evidence or reasoning which tends to prove or establish the truth of a statement or theory. We clearly already have a substantial amount of proof that Rob Ford smoked, at least on one occasion, crack cocaine.

Did I miss a picture? Where's this clear evidence that he smoked crack?
Was the movie released?

Originally Posted by Makarov

The question is: do we have enough proof to convince you? Or perhaps the real question is this: what do you consider to be sufficient proof? A complete confession by Mr. Ford? A personal viewing of the video (although, it seems that the Star reporters are likely in a better position to recognize Mr. Ford than you would be; also, would you require that the continuity of the actual video be established before accepting it as untampered and legitimate)? What is the burden of proof in your mind?

The Star has a history of attacking Ford, they went to press with a false story on Ford that he physically assaulted a player, they hung their hat on what seems to be a bogus sexual assault story. So please tell me why there actually be a bit more of a demand on the burden of proof from the Star. Gawker is a different story, but again, what's the burden of proof on a site like Gawker, or Infowars or the billions of other blog sites that don't have a burden of proof requirement.

Originally Posted by Makarov

Also, it seems to me that you are applying a far higher burden of proof with respect to Mr. Ford than you have to allegations regarding Ms. Redford. For example, you posted the following regarding the alleged conflict of interest in the award of the tobacco litigation file:

Maybe, but after the fact there was still enough hard physical evidence out there in terms of time lines and emails from Redford to get in to an ethics investigation.

I haven't seen any hard physical evidence to condemn a man professionally or personally. I find it very questionable that a paper that could turn their fortunes around and profit immensely from that video hasn't parted with measly couple of hundreds of thousands of dollars.

Personally in this case, I think that you have to see Ford hitting the pipe and shouting racist slogans about his players for me to believe it.

I'm not supporting Ford personally, I just think that if a paper or a website is going to destroy a person's life on multiple level that they have to back up the claim beyond, our reporters saw it so you should like totally trust us.

[MissTeeks]

If anyone wants to listen:

Mark Day‏@1310markday3m
LIVE: #Toronto Mayor #RobFord speaks to the media. Listen live on @1310News - http://player.rogersradio.ca/ciww/on_air

[MissTeeks]

660News‏@660News2m
Toronto mayor says he has never smoked crack cocaine

660News‏@660News4s
TO mayor says he is not an addict and can not comment on the video that allegedly shows him using drugs because he has not seen it

[lazypucker]

He is telling the truth! I have never seen a crack addict weighing more than 300 lbs...