Flames 2013 Draft Discussion

[Bend it like Bourgeois]

Originally Posted by Commandant

ALL OF THEM??


The ONLY factor to consider when drafting a Russian is the economic one and the lure of the money they can make playing close to home, thats it.... KHL and business, because this sport is a business at the end of the day.

I agree you can't generalize on people mental make up, but its not just economic. Because it is home, the khl is an option for Russians it just isn't for most others.

Compare Turris to Burmistrov. Burmistrov is doing the same thing a Canadian kid did, so no difference there. The difference is he has a lot more leverage because going back home to play is a much more viable option for him. Not saying he will use it, or that he'd be wrong to do so. It just is.

Compare radulov to wolski. Drafted the same year. Both had flashes but maddening inconsistency. Wolski got traded a few times and netted his teams at least something in return, even if only another project. The preds got nothing.

I think you can generalize that teams have less control over high Russian picks, and may get less value from them (years of service or in a trade later). That has to count for something at the draft table I think.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Commandant

ALL OF THEM??

Like Pavel Datsyuk, or Sergei Fedorov, or Pavle Bure, or Konstantinov, or Markov, or Kasparitis, or Mogilny, or Larionov, or Kovalchuk, or Ovechkin, or Malkin, or ....

ALL RUSSIANS ARE THE SAME

Thats some of the most bigotted B.S. I've ever heard.

Every player is an individual, who should be scouted and analyzed as an individual.

There is no truth to Russians being more lazy, or unwilling to work on their game more than any other country, just look at numerous Canadians like a Pierre Turgeon, or a Mike Ribeiro, or a Patrick Marleau who have repeatedly been playoff busts.

Analyze each guy as an individual not because of where they were born.

Jesus, its 2013, not 1955. I would have thought society progressed past this bullcrap.


The ONLY factor to consider when drafting a Russian is the economic one and the lure of the money they can make playing close to home, thats it.... KHL and business, because this sport is a business at the end of the day.

Never said all Russians are the same. You might want to re-read my post.

I'll re-cap for you:

I said Russians grew up playing a more individual style game. That is structural to their system and has nothing to do with individuals all being the same.

I said many Russians (not all) have shown to be less inclined to work on their defensive aspects (more or less true of any set of individuals, of course). But growing up with a more individual style seems to cause some consternation with learning a team game. Again, not an individual or personal thing, simply a function of their system.

As Bend it like Bourgeois said, the difference with Russians, as a group, is that they have a more readily available plan B, a path of lesser resistance, for those less determined.

At no time did I ever say or imply that they would ALL take advantage of that.

No bigotry in my post at all - maybe try to understand a post before you rant on it.

[Canada 02]

Ron Sutter, Flames Dir. Player Personnel talks about some top prospects at the Memorial Cup, as well as Wotherspoon and Ferland. Says Wotherspoon is ready for the pro game

Says Mackinnon has been the best of the top 3 prospects in the tourney. Likes Bo Horvat; says he plays a complete game; on Domi, says he's skilled but has deficiencies

Development camp July 10-16

http://www.sportsnet.ca/960/on-demand/

[dammage79]

Found his comments interesting. They've been pushing for this re-tool since Daryll was GM. And now that it's happening, they're pumped.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Commandant

Anthony Duclair, a speedster with the Quebec Remparts

http://lastwordonsports.com/2013/05/...ct-profile-42/

So, looking at your rankings, and guessing that the Flames will pick #6, #21 and #29, that would have us picking:

#6 - Center - Sean Monahan -> Good sized two way center, with face off ability, solid skating and tremendous hockey sense.
#21 - Center - Frederik Gauthier -> Massive two way center, with solid two way potential and decent skating for a big man.
#29 - Defense - Madison Bowey -> Extremely mobile, ok sized, right handed puck moving d-man with decent smarts.

Wouldn't hurt my feelings at all.

[T@T]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

So, looking at your rankings, and guessing that the Flames will pick #6, #21 and #29, that would have us picking:

#6 - Center - Sean Monahan -> Good sized two way center, with face off ability, solid skating and tremendous hockey sense.
#21 - Center - Frederik Gauthier -> Massive two way center, with solid two way potential and decent skating for a big man.
#29 - Defense - Madison Bowey -> Extremely mobile, ok sized, right handed puck moving d-man with decent smarts.

Wouldn't hurt my feelings at all.

I can see someone reaching for him in the first round easily,he looked great in the prospects game, great skater.

First 2 are my picks as well.

[Commandant]

A look at Laurent Dauphin, a Centre with Chicoutimi in the QMJHL. 6'0, but skinny right now.



http://lastwordonsports.com/2013/05/...ct-profile-43/

[FakenHaken]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

So, looking at your rankings, and guessing that the Flames will pick #6, #21 and #29, that would have us picking:

#6 - Center - Sean Monahan -> Good sized two way center, with face off ability, solid skating and tremendous hockey sense.
#21 - Center - Frederik Gauthier -> Massive two way center, with solid two way potential and decent skating for a big man.
#29 - Defense - Madison Bowey -> Extremely mobile, ok sized, right handed puck moving d-man with decent smarts.

Wouldn't hurt my feelings at all.

Wouldn't hurt mine either. Imagine Jankowski, Monahan, and Gauthier all work out as planned. You will need that size and skill at center to play against the Blues, Kings, Ducks, and Sharks.

[Iceman90]

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[handgroen]

From the lindholm v monahan thread (thanks Dammage79)

great article on lindholm.

http://www.inlouwetrust.com/2013/5/6...ospect-profile

Within Brynäs, Lindholm was third on the team in points, he led the team in power play goals with eight, he only took one minor penalty all season (!)

no we all saw how aggressive he was playing the body and competing for pucks in the youtube clips, It's incredible to think that he only took one penalty all year in a league that's softer than the NHL. i have visions of sugar plum datsyuks dancing in my head. Selke + Byng = Schwing

Spoiler!

[Cheerio]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

So, looking at your rankings, and guessing that the Flames will pick #6, #21 and #29, that would have us picking:

#6 - Center - Sean Monahan -> Good sized two way center, with face off ability, solid skating and tremendous hockey sense.
#21 - Center - Frederik Gauthier -> Massive two way center, with solid two way potential and decent skating for a big man.
#29 - Defense - Madison Bowey -> Extremely mobile, ok sized, right handed puck moving d-man with decent smarts.

Wouldn't hurt my feelings at all.

Personally I like Hagg and Mueller more than Bowey but I wouldn't be upset with any of them.

[FlameZilla]

Originally Posted by Cheerio

Personally I like Hagg and Mueller more than Bowey but I wouldn't be upset with any of them.

Don't like Hagg. Sounds very soft...

[cowtown75]

Personally, I would rather Zykov and Rychel instead of Gauthier and Bowey. Don't know what it is about Gauthier, but I'm not sold yet on this kid. I know he is big, but that seems to be the only special thing about him from all the clips I have seen and things I have read about him. I would rather invest my picks in scoring and potential 40 goal scoring talent vs a guy who maybe a good 2 way guy that may crack the top 6 one day.

Side note, I can't remember, do we have a second rounder this year ?

[Hockey_Ninja]

Originally Posted by cowtown75

Personally, I would rather Zykov and Rychel instead of Gauthier and Bowey. Don't know what it is about Gauthier, but I'm not sold yet on this kid. I know he is big, but that seems to be the only special thing about him from all the clips I have seen and things I have read about him. I would rather invest my picks in scoring and potential 40 goal scoring talent vs a guy who maybe a good 2 way guy that may crack the top 6 one day.

Side note, I can't remember, do we have a second rounder this year ?

Nope. Went to Montreal in the Cammi/Bourque deal.

[cowtown75]

Originally Posted by Hockey_Ninja

Nope. Went to Montreal in the Cammi/Bourque deal.

Yes that's right, I thought so- cheers. Too bad, still tonnes of talent available for the 36th pick.

[cowtown75]

My 1st round wishes..

#6- Barkov/Monahan
#21- Kerby Rychel
#29/30- Zykov

http://lastwordonsports.com/2013/05/...er-profile-22/

http://lastwordonsports.com/2013/05/...er-profile-28/


I wouldn't even mind taking Zykov sooner if I heard word that he was gonna go somewhere else. 6'1 215 lbs in your rookie season is pretty good as well. I would like both Rychel and Zykov somehow.

[anwar]

My ideal first round would be

#6 barkov
#22 zaradov
#29/30 zykov

All potential top line players, barkov and zaradov both have star potential and arguably both can start with the flames next year

Zykov fills a huge need on RW as currently we have no RW prospects worthy of speaking of.

Those three picks would be a huge kick start to our rebuild

[FlameZilla]

Bowey sounds like a bit of a raw talent, high ceiling but bust potential. If we haven't picked a D-man with an earlier pick then I'd go for him though.

Ideally we should get a C, D & RW in the 1st round. Some combo of Barkov/Lindholm/Monahan, Pulock/Morrisey/Bowey & Zykov/Mantha/Burakovsky would make me a happy camper.

[Red John]

Would like to chime in on Bowey as someone who's seen him play a lot of hockey this season.

Best asset is his skating. It's wonderful. He likes to jump up into the play a lot and carry the puck but needs to pick his spots better. Doesn't play physical enough but his feet can get him out of some tight spots that he might put himself into defensively. Right hand shot - it's decent but nothing spectacular. Does like to drive the net now and then and score a few goals from down low. Still seems very raw yet but plays in pretty much the best WHL team in terms of developing good defensemen - he's not a dumb player like Phaneuf and as he matures he'll understand when to just make a simple outlet pass and when to turn on the jets and make something happen. Don't see him as a Norris candidate but could be a No. 2 guy who is a solid two-way player if he puts it all together.

The guy who is being criminally underrated by pretty much everyone, is teammate and fellow blueliner Jesse Lees. A Calgary product who is calm and makes smart plays - moves the puck real nicely on offense though he'll never put up huge numbers. Don't see him as very far behind Bowey at all yet he wasn't even invited to the combine. would have zero problem grabbing him in the 3rd round if he's still there.

[bubbsy]

apologies for asking the same question that i'm sure is already answered but what is the worst spot that the blues pick can land?

if the wings upset the hawks, does the pick move up?