Our 6th Overall Pick: Elias Lindholm or Sean Monahan?

[Flames_F.T.W]

Am I missing something? What's the big deal about him returning to Russia if he doesn't make the team? Is it a huge deal if he develops his game in Russia as opposed to the AHL?

[H2SO4(aq)]

Originally Posted by Flames_F.T.W

Am I missing something? What's the big deal about him returning to Russia if he doesn't make the team? Is it a huge deal if he develops his game in Russia as opposed to the AHL?

pulling a radulov is the issue.

[Hockey_Ninja]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Nichushkin is going to TB. That's my guess. He isn't slipping out of the top three or five at the very very least. If he does manage to slip to Calgary, well prepare to be very disappointed if you don't like Russians players or the inherent risk involved with drafting some of them. Players that are that fast and big won't be picking up their ball and going home. He's going to be an NHL'er for a very long time.

Yeah i see Tampa drafting him as well. If he does fall to Calgary i wouldn't be shocked if they picked him. He's got all the tools to be a dynamic scoring forward for a long time.

[Dagger]

Feaster's history suggests that should Nichushkin be available, he'll be drafted by us.

[HighLifeMan]

Originally Posted by Dagger

Feaster's history suggests that should Nichushkin be available, he'll be drafted by us.

Based on what?

[CalgaryFan1988]

Originally Posted by Dagger

Feaster's history suggests that should Nichushkin be available, he'll be drafted by us.

The Flames' history of drafting Russians suggests we should avoid Nichushkin at all costs.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by CalgaryFan1988

The Flames' history of drafting Russians suggests we should avoid Nichushkin at all costs.

Saprykin 1999 #1 pick would be the most prominent Russian the Flames drafted.

He scored the OT goal in game 5 of the SC final putting the Flames 1 win away from the cup.

He had the 30th most games of players drafted in 1999.
He had the 21th most pts
He had the 17th most goals.

This is out of all the players drafted in 1999. Zetterberg, Vrbata, Erat, Kostopolus were drafted in the 7th round that year and were ahead of Saprykin in all 3 categories

.... so as a first rounder he fit very close to where he was drafted.

By your logic the Flames should avoid players in the CHL... Pelech, Nemicz, Krahn and Irving.... Along with BCHL Chucko. If these picks had been as good as the Russian pick there would not have been a 4 year playoff drought.



If Nichushkin is really in the top 5 talented players in the 2014 draft years he will play in the NHL..... If he is a journey man or a second tier player he will go back and play in the KHL for more money than he can get in the AHL.

Just because as a 17 year old he is chasing the money doesn't make him a prima donna. Hard to tell if he is a driver in his situation or the victim.

Read Jamie Mclennan's book on his experience in the KHL and you would have to wonder how anyone with a chance to play in the AHL would chose the KHL.....Outside of the $.

As for him currently playing in the KHL..... Lindholm has committed to playing next year in the SEL..... only difference is that the KHL is a better league.

From an article May22,2013

Nichushkin has two years remaining on a three-year pact he originally signed with Traktor and reports have circulated in Russian media his 2013 salary could reach $2 million. He would have to buy out the next two seasons in order to leave Dynamo.
Team president Arkady Rotenberg, meanwhile, refuted the $2-million rumors on Wednesday but declined to reveal Nichushkin’s salary.
“There are no crazy salaries [on Dynamo],” Rotenberg told R-Sport. “The salaries on Dynamo are pretty moderate, compared to other KHL clubs.”

PS... there will be players drafted after the Flames picks ... some in later rounds that will be better players than the top 6 18 year olds at this point in time.

[J epworth]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

Saprykin 1999 #1 pick would be the most prominent Russian the Flames drafted.

He scored the OT goal in game 5 of the SC final putting the Flames 1 win away from the cup.

He had the 30th most games of players drafted in 1999.
He had the 21th most pts
He had the 17th most goals.

This is out of all the players drafted in 1999. Zetterberg, Vrbata, Erat, Kostopolus were drafted in the 7th round that year and were ahead of Saprykin in all 3 categories

.... so as a first rounder he fit very close to where he was drafted.

Sergei Makarov would like a word with you...

[icarus]

So would German Titov. And maybe Sergei Pryakhin depending on how you define prominent.

[FightinSioux]

Originally Posted by HighLifeMan

Based on what?

Based on his mentality to draft the best player available. Feaster has said multiple times that he feels thats a safe way, however I agree and disagree as the Russian factor plays in yet he could potentially be the best player in the draft...hence the reasoning and safe way of approaching the media by saying that.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

As for him currently playing in the KHL..... Lindholm has committed to playing next year in the SEL..... only difference is that the KHL is a better league.

The other difference is that the NHL has a transfer agreement with the SEL and does not have one with the KHL (in fact, they have a "handshake" agreement to not sign players that are signed by the other league, although the KHL has been pretty sketchy there).

If Nichushkin wants to sign in the NHL, he either has to arrange for his contract in the KHL to be nullified or for it to expire. It doesn't expire until around the same time his NHL rights do, so if the KHL decides to resist, this could be a big problem for any team that drafts him.

I know his KHL team is rumoured to allowing for Nichushkin to leave, but I would be apprehensive until something is official.

[CalgaryFan1988]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

By your logic the Flames should avoid players in the CHL... Pelech, Nemicz, Krahn and Irving.... Along with BCHL Chucko. If these picks had been as good as the Russian pick there would not have been a 4 year playoff drought.

Pelech, Nemicz and Krahn all had pretty serious injuries, not because they didn't decide to come to the NHL. Poor examples IMO.

Since 1993

Titov (624 NHL games - 10th round)
Torgaev (55 NHL games - 11th round)
Smirnov (0 NHL games - 2nd round)
Vlasenkov (0 NHL games - 3rd round)
Kokorev (0 NHL games - 2nd round)
Demidov (0 NHL games - 6th round)
Saprykin (325 NHL games - 1st round)
Rozakov (0 NHL games - 4th round)
Taratukhin (0 NHL games - 2nd round)
Medvedev (0 NHL games - 2nd round)
Trubachev (0 NHL games - 5th round)
Artemenkov (0 NHL games - 4th round)
Bobrov (0 NHL games - 5th round)


In 20 years of drafts, thats 13 Russians drafted, 3 played in the NHL. One first rounder, an 11th rounder and a 10th rounder.

They haven't drafter a Russian since 2002. Gee, I wonder why?



Also, After playing in the NHL for 8 season Saprykin left the NHL to go play where? The KHL

Just my opinion......with Nichuchkin, not only do you have to worry about him coming here in the first place, but also staying.

[CalgaryFan1988]

double post

[Stay Golden]

If Lindholm, Monahan and Nichushkin all had the same amount of stats i'm taking the Canadian Monahan. From what pretty much every analysis has mentioned is Monahan plays with an edge. Not in form of a guy who likes to fight but leans on the opposition and lay hits on the fore check. Great that is what we need a C with skill, size and plays big.

[sureLoss]

Interesting tool to visualize team drafting trends:
http://www.stanleycupofchowder.com/2...-of-years-past

Very unlikely Carolina takes a European forward:

[ignite09]

Originally Posted by CalgaryFan1988

Pelech, Nemicz and Krahn all had pretty serious injuries, not because they didn't decide to come to the NHL. Poor examples IMO.

Since 1993

Titov (624 NHL games - 10th round)
Torgaev (55 NHL games - 11th round)
Smirnov (0 NHL games - 2nd round)
Vlasenkov (0 NHL games - 3rd round)
Kokorev (0 NHL games - 2nd round)
Demidov (0 NHL games - 6th round)
Saprykin (325 NHL games - 1st round)
Rozakov (0 NHL games - 4th round)
Taratukhin (0 NHL games - 2nd round)
Medvedev (0 NHL games - 2nd round)
Trubachev (0 NHL games - 5th round)
Artemenkov (0 NHL games - 4th round)
Bobrov (0 NHL games - 5th round)


In 20 years of drafts, thats 13 Russians drafted, 3 played in the NHL. One first rounder, an 11th rounder and a 10th rounder.

They haven't drafter a Russian since 2002. Gee, I wonder why?



Also, After playing in the NHL for 8 season Saprykin left the NHL to go play where? The KHL

Just my opinion......with Nichuchkin, not only do you have to worry about him coming here in the first place, but also staying.

Wow. Listening to some of you give your backwards logic as too why we shouldn't draft Nuchushkin is starting to get painful.

[PlayfulGenius]

Originally Posted by ignite09

Wow. Listening to some of you give your backwards logic as too why we shouldn't draft Nuchushkin is starting to get painful.

That's only because yu haven't seen my analysis... Did you know Flames have NEVER had success drafting a player with the initials V.N.!?!?!?!

Do Not Want!!!

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Interesting tool to visualize team drafting trends:
http://www.stanleycupofchowder.com/2...-of-years-past

Very unlikely Carolina takes a European forward:

Wow. I always think of the Flames as a team that doesn't look to Russians but that's not quite true Carolina on the other hand practically never does. Nashville on the other hand seems to pick rrom all countries.

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Wow. I always think of the Flames as a team that doesn't look to Russians but that's not quite true Carolina on the other hand practically never does. Nashville on the other hand seems to pick rrom all countries.

What is also interesting is that Tampa has taken more Russians than players from the US:

[Pointman]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

Nichushkin says he's coming over but I want to hear what Dynamo says before thinking it will happen.

Dynamo says they let him go. Also they seems to agreed that Nichushkin is back for KHL playoffs if "something goes wrong" in the NHL.

http://www.sports.ru/hockey/149162686.html