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[Dion]

Originally Posted by scottish_flame

Wether you like it or not extremism is part of the Islamic religion and is growing. So saying the religion is part of the problem isn't ignorant it's fact

The question you should be asking is wether religion itself is the problem or the people who use it blindly. Frankly I say it's the latter.

A serious problem which is worrying the whole world today is what has come to be known as religious extremism, fundamentalism or fanaticism. People blindly believe that the whole truth is stated only in the scriptures of their own religion. The implication of such deluded belief is that if anything is not stated in those scriptures of their own religion, then, it cannot be true. This is why many hate other religions and other scriptures. They think other religions and their scriptural texts are false, hence, must be destroyed. They name their blind religious zeal as "Jihad", "Crusade", "Dharma Yudh" or "Holy War"; and perpetrate untold sufferings and cruelty on humanity in the name of religion and God.

In nutshell, the Gurbani's diagnosis of this menacing world problem is as follows. Man's vision is impeded by the veil of false ego — lust, anger, greed, delusive attachment, pride, envy, and stubborn mindedness with heir numerous variations. It is this false ego that gives rise to his feeling of "I, me, mine, you", which, in turn, instigates false alliances and conflicts. Thus, an ego-being is never a religious person, although he pretends to be one! On the contrary, he is totally devoid of Divine Virtues such as selfless love, compassion, service, Wisdom, Knowledge, contentment, mercy, forgiveness, selflessness, etc. Instead, his bosom is filled with the "filth" of demoniac instincts of hate, jealousy, falsehood, fraud, immense greed, deceit, selfishness, illusion, corruption, crookedness, deception, sinful mistakes and bewilderment. In this state of dense ignorance, he sees everyone false. He is angry within and without. With his false alliances and conflicts, he then goes on to contradicting the world around him. Thus, as summed up in the Gurbani, "All of man's conflicts are extensions of his corruption".

http://www.gurbani.org/articles/webart114.htm

[WCW Nitro]

Just so I have this straight, when an American president who calls himself a devout Christian kills over 100,000 Iraqi civilians in a war based on lies and deceit we cannot generalize about Christianity or even America, but when a couple of Muslim terrorists do something it's perfectly acceptable to insult Islam?

[Dion]

This, however, is one area where a decade of counterterrorism research, the analysis of volumes of extremist literature and dialogue, and interviews with thousands of current and former jihadists and terror-cell members by large groups of scholars have produced two unambiguous conclusions. First, it is not generally devout or fundamentalist Muslims who become terrorists. Second, terrorists are driven by political belief, not by religious faith. The Muslims who support violence and terrorism are not the Muslims who are the most religious or fundamentalist in their views; in fact, the two rarely have anything to do with one another, and the latter are usually opposed to the former

Jihadist terrorism became a phenomenon in the West starting in the early 1990s as an extreme political response to the presence of Western soldiers in Islamic lands. It has continued to follow this political path. While this means that adherents must believe in the existence of an inviolate “land of Islam,” it does not mean that they are otherwise the most devout religious believers.

http://dougsaunders.net/2013/04/musl...had-terrorism/

[scottish_flame]

Originally Posted by WCW Nitro

Just so I have this straight, when an American president who calls himself a devout Christian kills over 100,000 Iraqi civilians in a war based on lies and deceit we cannot generalize about Christianity or even America, but when a couple of Muslim terrorists do something it's perfectly acceptable to insult Islam?

100,000. Is that a legitimate number or did you just over exaggerate and throw numbers together?

[longsuffering]

Originally Posted by scottish_flame

First of all I'm disgusted at the people who just stood around and done nothing.
Second of all how many attacks are we going to accept before we react to these immigrants who are coming in to our countries.

Islam is a disgusting religion

Yeah. Another moron who holds a whole religion responsible for the acts of deranged maniacs.

Applying your 'logic', I guess you'd agree with the statement

America is a disgusting country.

You know, with all the gun-crazed maniacs slaughtering innocents at every turn.

Obviously neither statement is true.

[nik-]

The presence of western soldiers on the peninsula doesn't explain Qutbism. It's not as simple as "go home"

[WCW Nitro]

Originally Posted by scottish_flame

100,000. Is that a legitimate number or did you just over exaggerate and throw numbers together?

That's actually the minimum, some reports have the figure at 1 million.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by scottish_flame

100,000. Is that a legitimate number or did you just over exaggerate and throw numbers together?

War costs in lives lost

PROVIDENCE, R.I. [Brown University] — Ten years after the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq on March 19, 2003, researchers have released the first comprehensive analysis of direct and indirect human and economic costs of the war that followed. According to the report, the war has killed at least 190,000 people, including men and women in uniform, contractors, and civilians and will cost the United States $2.2 trillion — a figure that far exceeds the initial 2002 estimates by the U.S. Office of Management and Budget of $50 to $60 billion.

The report was released by the Costs of War project, based at Brown University’s Watson Institute for International Studies. Catherine Lutz, the Thomas J. Watson Jr. Family Professor of Anthropology and International Studies at Brown University, co-directs the project with Neta C. Crawford, professor of political science at Boston University.

More than 70 percent of those who died of direct war violence in Iraq have been civilians — an estimated 134,000. This number does not account for indirect deaths due to increased vulnerability to disease or injury as a result of war-degraded conditions. That number is estimated to be several times higher.

http://news.brown.edu/pressreleases/2013/03/warcosts

[3 Justin 3]

Originally Posted by scottish_flame

I will stand my ground with the Islam comment. They are at war with everyone and hate everyone. I don't believe anyone who says Islam is a religion of peace that's bull####. Not all Muslims are terrorists but 99% of terrorists are Muslim

Edit: I'd prefer not to get banned for my comments.

Can a mod just close this thread? It serves no purpose other than to show how ignorant people are and sh** on entire religions and I'm no where near religious.

[Max Cow Disease]

Originally Posted by Nage Waza

To put the blame on every Muslim person is a different story. I do though believe that the solution to the extremists must be Muslim moderates.

While I agree in a sense, it can also be argued that "moderates" are a key part of the problem. The more moderates that there are in relation to extremists the better, obviously, but the legions of moderate Muslims who demonstrate various watered down renditions of their faith in one way or another create a sort of veil or curtain behind which fundamentalists can hide comfortably as they go about their business. It doesn't mean that their actions don't get criticized, but it does often make it difficult to label their professions of the faith as the root cause of the issue.

[Max Cow Disease]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

Except the ones that are not.

It crosses that fine line of bigotry when people start spouting out 99% of terrorist attacks are perpetrated by Muslims as fact because that's simply not true. Not all Muslims are terrorists and not all terrorists are Muslims. When certain people (and obviously not aimed at you) ignore this it's because of some sort of bias.

And it's especially telling when it's rarely brought up by those people that Muslims, regardless of how you define terrorism, are the largest victims of terrorists worldwide. A fact largely ignored when bringing up the Muslims terrorists statistics. It's ignoring the social underlining that many of the Muslim nations are currently in a terrible state. It's different recruiting and indoctrinating impressionable minds when they are from a country torn by war, famine and death than it would be to go up to an upper-middle class family with a cushy living.

Some valid points here. It's hyperbole to flagrantly paint the entire faith and those who practice it with the same brush, and 99% of all terrorist attacks obviously aren't perpetrated by Muslims, but that doesn't detract from the fact that extremist Islam has become a dangerous force in many parts of the world.

To that point -and that which I've made bold above- I think it's perhaps too often floated around that terrorism's strictly some by-product (or primarily so) of poor social conditions or economic strife. These are often rather intelligent individuals who've simply been deluded by the blindfold of faith, and are espousing this openly in the public sphere for all to hear. The 9/11 hijackers, for example, were for the most part hardly a by-product of substandard conditions, and were in fact relatively well-off and many were college/university educated.

[Bill Bumface]

Lets stop and think of why all of these terrorists lately seem to be mostly muslim...

Maybe that it's the majority of wars going on in the world right now are in muslim nations?

You get uneducated, disenfranchised people with no job or organization to provide purpose in their life, and you accidentally kill a bunch of innocent people in front of them.

Canadian/American/British bombs and bullets have taken out many innocent people during these missions, and destroyed many people's homes and places of work, taking away their livelyhood.

Then they get pissed off, have nothing to lose, and look for something that is the nearest facimile of the people they are trying to get back at, and you have terrorist acts.

Is it really that unfathomable? Throw a decades long war on Canadian soil and you'll have a nice crop of Christian terrorists.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by scottish_flame

I agree with you but do you know how many share these extreme views? I don't but I bet you that number is increasing radically in the US/UK nations. A lot of the countries are at civil unrest.

Interesting that if I simply switch the location that pretty much sums up people like you.

You're no better than them.

[valo403]

Originally Posted by scottish_flame

It seems too easy to throw these words at people when they disagree with a culture race or just different agendas in life

It usually shuts someone up if you call them it too because no one wants to be listed as a racist or bigot

Actually it's very easy to throw these words around when someone displays, repeatedly, behavior that is racist and bigoted, as you have. It's even easier when someone proudly proclaims themselves to be a bigot, as you have.

You need to take the advice offered earlier in this thread and grow the f up.

[DuffMan]

Originally Posted by 3 Justin 3

Edit: I'd prefer not to get banned for my comments.

Can a mod just close this thread? It serves no purpose other than to show how ignorant people are and sh** on entire religions and I'm no where near religious.

Just stop reading the thread, why ruin it for everyone else.

[krynski]

Originally Posted by nik-

I do find the "violence is not part of Islam" thing a little silly when Islam was spread by the sword under Muhammed himself.

So was christianity at some points.

[DuffMan]

Muhammed and his sword would've fit in well with the crusades.

[Plett25]

Back to the topic...

What this situation needs is an Uncle Ruslan. IMO he did lots for the image of Muslims in the aftermath of the Boston bombings when he said Islam had nothing to do with the bombings, his nephews were just losers.

Personally, I find it unconvincing when a bunch of WASP's on a hockey forum make posts about Islam being the religion of peace, and don't paint all Muslims with the same brush. But show me a pissed off relative/neighbour/Imam denouncing the violence and the perpetrators, and I buy it.

[Huntingwhale]

Threads like these are why I enjoy coming to CP. It's got some racism, bigotry, ignorance, and feelings hurt all over the place.

5 star thread

[MarchHare]

Originally Posted by hulkrogan

Lets stop and think of why all of these terrorists lately seem to be mostly muslim...

Maybe that it's the majority of wars going on in the world right now are in muslim nations?

You get uneducated, disenfranchised people with no job or organization to provide purpose in their life, and you accidentally kill a bunch of innocent people in front of them.

Canadian/American/British bombs and bullets have taken out many innocent people during these missions, and destroyed many people's homes and places of work, taking away their livelyhood.

Then they get pissed off, have nothing to lose, and look for something that is the nearest facimile of the people they are trying to get back at, and you have terrorist acts.

Is it really that unfathomable? Throw a decades long war on Canadian soil and you'll have a nice crop of Christian terrorists.

Stop it with this namby-pamby liberal crazy talk. The root cause of terrorism is terrorists.