Fatal Cleaver Attack on soldier in London Caught on Camera NSFW

[PIMking]

You can still kill a Scot in York


http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2...ensspeech20072

[puckluck2]

Originally Posted by scottish_flame

That's prejudice

Oh, you don't like being grouped in with a group of people? Neither do I.

[scottish_flame]

Originally Posted by puckluck2

Oh, you don't like being grouped in with a group of people? Neither do I.

I was being sarcastic

[PIMking]

Originally Posted by pylon

Many people would argue the United States is. It really depends what you believe is right and wrong.

what?

Last time I checked Canada was with us in the middle east and there was just a thread about the last tour.

Americans don't do anything we're #######s, we do something we're #######s.

We're damned if we do and damned if we dont

or Terrorists in your mind

[Zulu29]

I don't give a rats ass who you are, if you butcher someone, shoot up a school or bomb a race you're complete scum who does not deserve to be treated with any dignity afforded to human beings. I hope these psychos survive their gunshots and then spend every second of the rest of their miserable lives in a concrete and steel hole in the ground, locked away from society and forced to live with what they did.

[scottish_flame]

Originally Posted by Zulu29

I don't give a rats ass who you are, if you butcher someone, shoot up a school or bomb a race you're complete scum who does not deserve to be treated with any dignity afforded to human beings. I hope these psychos survive their gunshots and then spend every second of the rest of their miserable lives in a concrete and steel hole in the ground, locked away from society and forced to live with what they did.

Water boarding

[Flame Of Liberty]

Originally Posted by puckluck2

Frankly I couldn't care less what you find offensive. You're a bigot and not surprising you're from Sydney. That place has bigotry and racism in their culture.

Oh please. I'm Melburnian at heart.

[PIMking]

Originally Posted by puckluck2

Frankly I couldn't care less what you find offensive. You're a bigot and not surprising you're from Sydney. That place has bigotry and racism in their culture.

I find it rather bigoty and racist that you seem to call anyone not canadian or with your same views a bigot and racist

[krynski]

Pure prejudism against a group of people is extremely ignorant and purely foolish.

Thank God for the ignore function (it's a figure of speech, I'm not stating my religious affiliations ).

[PIMking]

Originally Posted by Zulu29

I don't give a rats ass who you are, if you butcher someone, shoot up a school or bomb a race you're complete scum who does not deserve to be treated with any dignity afforded to human beings. I hope these psychos survive their gunshots and then spend every second of the rest of their miserable lives in a concrete and steel hole in the ground, locked away from society and forced to live with what they did.

I would only hope they die soon, but a rather slow painful death. No need for the great people of England to have to pay for them to eat and stay in a climate controlled room.


That is unless England only feeds them ham sandwiches for every meal

[scottish_flame]

Originally Posted by PIMking

I find it rather bigoty and racist that you seem to call anyone not canadian or with your same views a bigot and racist

It seems too easy to throw these words at people when they disagree with a culture race or just different agendas in life

It usually shuts someone up if you call them it too because no one wants to be listed as a racist or bigot

[PIMking]

Originally Posted by krynski

Pure prejudism against a group of people is extremely ignorant and purely foolish.

Thank God for the ignore function (it's a figure of speech, I'm not stating my religious affiliations ).

Its a tough subject, I had a kid last year in a class that did a project basically saying that every muslim is a terrorist, I blasted him asking him who bombed OKC? who did the Holocaust? what about the crusades? He had no answers.

Any act of violence based on Religious beliefs are false and baseless. Most of those who do use those "beliefs" are doomed.

I understand the fear/angst towards muslims, I however am a atheist so Religion in a whole is a joke to me and using it to kill in the name of god is even more laughable.

[Max Cow Disease]

Originally Posted by krynski

No, it is EXTREMISM. It is people who CLAIM to represent Islam, but DO NOT represent the majority of it's followers' ideology or practices.

These extremists are cults.

If you can't recognize that, you're a lost cause.

This part I find to be a bit curious. Are you suggesting that religions are inherently peaceful because the numerical majority doesn't commit atrocity, or that there isn't large potential for incitement of violence in scripture?

How are the "ideologies or practices" of the "majority" of Muslims relevant to those who wield Islam as a tool for violence? These are people that are acting dangerously and irrationally and are providing the reasons as to why they're doing it, and those reasons more often than not begin and end with their faith.

The fact that the majority of religions and their adherents have "mellowed" to a significant degree speaks volumes to the external pressures of science and secularism, and is a good thing, but doesn't mean that moderates are the purest representatives of their faith in every instance, or even most instances. Dismissing "extremists" or Islamic terrorists as merely smearing and misappropriating the peaceful word of 1500 year old superstition isn't a legitimate way of looking at this in my eyes.

[krynski]

Originally Posted by PIMking

Its a tough subject, I had a kid last year in a class that did a project basically saying that every muslim is a terrorist, I blasted him asking him who bombed OKC? who did the Holocaust? what about the crusades? He had no answers.

Any act of violence based on Religious beliefs are false and baseless. Most of those who do use those "beliefs" are doomed.

I understand the fear/angst towards muslims, I however am a atheist so Religion in a whole is a joke to me and using it to kill in the name of god is even more laughable.

I couldnt agree with you more. What I find is the worst part, is that parents could be influencing and positively reinforcing that attitude.

[Minnie]

The Brits want to punish people? One word. Marmite.

[krynski]

Originally Posted by Max Cow Disease

This part I find to be a bit curious. Are you suggesting that religions are inherently peaceful because the numerical majority doesn't commit atrocity, or that there isn't large potential for incitement of violence in scripture?

How are the "ideologies or practices" of the "majority" of Muslims relevant to those who wield Islam as a tool for violence? These are people that are acting dangerously and irrationally and are providing the reasons as to why they're doing it, and those reasons more often than not begin and end with their faith.

The fact that the majority of religions and their adherents have "mellowed" to a significant degree speaks volumes to the external pressures of science and secularism, and is a good thing, but doesn't mean that moderates are the purest representatives of their faith in every instance, or even most instances. Dismissing "extremists" or Islamic terrorists as merely smearing and misappropriating the peaceful word of 1500 year old superstition isn't a legitimate way of looking at this in my eyes.

Well said. Scripture is scripture. Although it had one meaning in the past, that doesn't mean the same meaning is applicable today. Evolution changes things. Practices change, and with that, so does ideology. For example, I doubt there will be any crusades in the next hundred years or so.

How would you go about it?

[Nage Waza]

Originally Posted by krynski

No, it is EXTREMISM. It is people who CLAIM to represent Islam, but DO NOT represent the majority of it's followers' ideology or practices.

These extremists are cults.

If you can't recognize that, you're a lost cause.

I suppose a question that should be answered is are the number of Muslim 'extremists' rising or dropping?

To claim that someone is a bigot because they are associating acts of terrorism with Muslims is not genuine. The terrorists are (in my opinion) pretty open with the fact they are Muslim first and foremost. This is not something Scottish_flame is imagining, we all see it and read about it. I just finished watching a show on CBC about the struggle some Mosques have to get extremism out of their youth members, this is truly a battle.

To put the blame on every Muslim person is a different story. I do though believe that the solution to the extremists must be Muslim moderates.

Of course non Muslim terrorists are mentioned in this thread, but I don't think there is any state or nation that sanctions that type of terrorism. In fact, world leaders, in any country, quickly condemn other sources of terrorism. I am unaware of churches that promote terrorism, and if there are, they would quickly be shut down or jailed.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by scottish_flame

Can't call someone racist without backing it up I don't respect you or your left wing ways

Thes people are killing in the name of Allah. That's religious isn't it ?

Not necessarily. Just because someone says they did for Allah doesn't make it true. I suggest you read the quotes below.

"Killing … has never been our religious tradition," said Dr Musa Vila, a lecturer at the Faculty for Islamic Studies in Pristina and member of Kosovo's Islamic Community. "Islam severely condemns murder. This is mentioned in the Qur'an and the Prophet Muhammad has also opposed killing people, Muslim or any other faith."

"We often know why the killings occurred, courts have come to their decisions, and again there was a misunderstanding or misinterpretation and ill information to the public through the media giving these killings a religious background," Vila said.

He urges people to read the Qur'an to see how Islam condemns murder.
"The Qur'an even stated that 'the murder of a man is killing the entire humanity, while the rescue of a man is like salvation of all mankind'," Vila said.

Vila said that religious motivation should not be mentioned unless there are facts to back it up.

"I urge not to give religious backgrounds to these killings, these murders come as a result of personal frenzies and personal whims, and by faith we say under the influence of Satan," Vila said.

http://www.setimes.com/cocoon/setime.../14/feature-03

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by Nage Waza

I suppose a question that should be answered is are the number of Muslim 'extremists' rising or dropping?

To claim that someone is a bigot because they are associating acts of terrorism with Muslims is not genuine. The terrorists are (in my opinion) pretty open with the fact they are Muslim first and foremost.

Except the ones that are not.

It crosses that fine line of bigotry when people start spouting out 99% of terrorist attacks are perpetrated by Muslims as fact because that's simply not true. Not all Muslims are terrorists and not all terrorists are Muslims. When certain people (and obviously not aimed at you) ignore this it's because of some sort of bias.

And it's especially telling when it's rarely brought up by those people that Muslims, regardless of how you define terrorism, are the largest victims of terrorists worldwide. A fact largely ignored when bringing up the Muslims terrorists statistics. It's ignoring the social underlining that many of the Muslim nations are currently in a terrible state. It's different recruiting and indoctrinating impressionable minds when they are from a country torn by war, famine and death than it would be to go up to an upper-middle class family with a cushy living.

[nik-]

I do find the "violence is not part of Islam" thing a little silly when Islam was spread by the sword under Muhammed himself.