Iggy VS Alfie

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by macrov

THey had Karlson, we have Brodie.

Those guys are the same age.

Last year Karlson won the Norris trophy

I really like TJ Brodie but this comparison shows anyone all they need to know about your hockey knowledge.

[bubbsy]

argh, i came to the thread thinking it was an interesting thread on who had the better career.

then i read the actual intent with regards to who stayed who got traded... weak.

[the2bears]

Originally Posted by Ark2

So you are saying that had the Flames not approached Iginla and asked to trade him, that he would have re-signed with the Flames during the off-season? Sorry, I don't buy it. Like it or not, Macrov makes a decent comparison. The 2010-11 season saw the Sens finish 26th in the league with 74 points. There was all kinds of smoke suggesting that Alfredsson would be moved, but he wasn't. Granted, Alfredsson was not an upcoming UFA at the time, but he could have just as easily requested a trade.

So "could have just as easily requested a trade" is now a decent comparison with being asked to waive an NTC and getting traded at the deadline. Okay.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by macrov

He's been signing one year contracts. Every offseason he decides whether or not he wants to retire. If he does not want to retire he signs a 1 year contract. He has already said he will retire a Senator.

Alfredsson and Iginla are in extremely different situations in both age and team.

[Ark2]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

Okay, you speculate, I'll speculate too.

If the Senators were out of a playoff spot this year, the year Daniel is about to be a UFA are you suggesting he or the Senators wouldn't have seriously looked at being moved at the deadline?

Sorry, I don't buy it.

If Iginla wanted to remain a Flame, he would still be here. He would have negotiated an extension and made it clear during the process that he would not entertain any ideas of waving his no-trade clause. He didn't do that and judging by the team that he choose to be traded to, it seems that his top priority is winning the cup, so I don't think it's unfair to speculate that he wouldn't have re-signed had he not been traded. That being said, please don't misconstrue this as any sort of attack on Iginla. I don't think there was anything wrong with the move that he made, nor do I think it should be interpreted as unclassy either.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

Those guys are the same age.

Last year Karlson won the Norris trophy

I really like TJ Brodie but this comparison shows anyone all they need to know about your hockey knowledge.

Whatever MMF.

Our 6th overall pick was 56% in faceoffs this year and had 40 assists.


Also, I agree with ark2. If Iginla was going to re-sign, they wouldn't have traded him, but it was time to move on for all parties.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by macrov

He's been signing one year contracts. Every offseason he decides whether or not he wants to retire. If he does not want to retire he signs a 1 year contract. He has already said he will retire a Senator.

You're either really stupid, or lying hoping no one else knows what they're talking about.

Alfreddson signed a four year deal, four years ago. He hasn't been a UFA the past four summers.

[macrov]

Originally Posted by diane_phaneuf

how many points did the 2013 6th overall pick put up this year in the NHL
.

The same number Zibenigad put up in 2010/2011

[sun]

Originally Posted by macrov

In a time of deceit telling the truth is a revolutionary act. - George Orwell.

Holy lol. What a post!

[Mr.Coffee]

With all due respect to the OP, I think you need to think this one through a bit more or put down the crack pipe.

The Flames approached Iginla to leave (thank the lord too, we would be worse off if he remained).

How is Iginla to know if rookie scrub squad A from Boston will be oh so much better than rookie scrub squad B from Pittsburgh? He doesn't, you dont, Feaster doesn't, and nobody will for a year or three. The draft picks are at present looking like about even as both teams will probably meet in the east final. Iggy chose Pittsburgh because at the time he felt it was his best interest to win a cup, and it wasn't totally clear what the best deal was for Calgary. If you think this is "selfish", you're wrong.

Iggy did everything he could for the Flames, it's redundant and unnecessary to make the post you made, and he's still the best Calgary Flame of all time regardless of how delusional you are.

[trackercowe]

There were a ton of murmurs that Alfie was going to be moved at the deadline with all the injuries Ottawa had. He probably would have been moved in the same manner if the Sens were in the same position as the Flames were in. Now I'm not a huge fan that Iginla forced a trade to a specific team, but that was his right with the NMC which he earned.

You just can't make the comparison since they were in completely different situations. If we had made the playoffs last year, and were in the thick of it this season Iginla would have stuck around. Heck he stuck around a couple years longer than he probably should have. You really can't question the guys loyalty to the team one iota.

[macrov]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

You're either really stupid, or lying hoping no one else knows what they're talking about.

Alfreddson signed a four year deal, four years ago. He hasn't been a UFA the past four summers.

Maybe you're fight on the contact, but I'm right on the gist of my post. Every off-season he decides whether to play or retire. And he's stated many times he wishes to be a senator for life:

http://www.thestar.com/sports/hockey..._for_life.html

http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Hockey/NHL.../20047521.html

[Mr.Coffee]

Iginla helped Calgary by leaving. We owe him if truth be known. He did us a favour by not holding us back.

[macrov]

Originally Posted by trackercowe

There were a ton of murmurs that Alfie was going to be moved at the deadline with all the injuries Ottawa had. He probably would have been moved in the same manner if the Sens were in the same position as the Flames were in. Now I'm not a huge fan that Iginla forced a trade to a specific team, but that was his right with the NMC which he earned.

You just can't make the comparison since they were in completely different situations. If we had made the playoffs last year, and were in the thick of it this season Iginla would have stuck around. Heck he stuck around a couple years longer than he probably should have. You really can't question the guys loyalty to the team one iota.

I'm comparing Iggy's decision to leave in 2013 with Alfies decision to say in 2011.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by macrov

Maybe you're fight on the contact, but I'm right on the gist of my post. Every off-season he decides whether to play or retire. And he's stated many times he wishes to be a senator for life:

http://www.thestar.com/sports/hockey..._for_life.html

http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Hockey/NHL.../20047521.html

It's not a maybe, it's fact. The gist of your post is totally lost by the fact he has a contract. You tried to suggest he was some hero without a deal who only thought about the Senators when he was a UFA.

Are you telling me a pro athlete at his age exams every summer if he is going to return or not?

That's not exactly mind-blowing or anything, it makes total sense.

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by macrov

I'm comparing Iggy's decision to leave in 2013 with Alfies decision to say in 2011.

These decisions were made under completely different contexts though. So your logic doesn't flow properly. Circumstances matter. A great deal actually.

[macrov]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Iginla helped Calgary by leaving. We owe him if truth be known. He did us a favour by not holding us back.

At the end of the day, how important are Hanowski, the other guy, and a 20-something pick to a rebuild? Not very.

How important is it to have leadership through a rebuild? Ask the oilers.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by macrov

At the end of the day, how important are Hanowski, the other guy, and a 20-something pick to a rebuild? Not very.

How important is it to have leadership through a rebuild? Ask the oilers.

Now you're taking your own thread off-topic. Though I don't blame you, you've proven you have no idea what you're talking about.

[macrov]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

These decisions were made under completely different contexts though. So your logic doesn't flow properly. Circumstances matter. A great deal actually.

explain to me the difference in circumstance? Look at the Ottawa Roster in 2011...

http://espn.go.com/nhl/team/stats/_/...ttawa-senators

Our roster is arguably better. The only good young player on that roster is Karlson.

[macrov]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

Now you're taking your own thread off-topic. Though I don't blame you, you've proven you have no idea what you're talking about.

Its actually the essence of the argument. You're pretty silly. Alfie rebuilt the ship. Iggy abandoned it.