[News] Canucks fire coaching staff

[sun]

Confirmed.

[theinfinitejar]

Just got the TSN text. Nothing on the site yet though.

[moon]

Originally Posted by opendoor

There are a bunch. Most notably this playoffs was their insistence on feeding an injured Bieksa huge minutes while cutting back the minutes for the Hamhuis-Garrison pairing despite the latter being absolutely dominant at ES this year. When that pairing played with the Sedins this year at ES they outscored the opposition by a 5:1 ratio. Instead of continuing that though they basically chained the Sedins to the Bieksa-Edler pairing and predictably disaster ensued when they were on the ice.

Not to mention some of the special teams decisions and PP setups were just asinine and in general the team's whole system had been picked apart to the point that it was largely ineffective. The PP especially has been an absolute joke for the last 1.5 years (it's operated at about 13% in that span) which is a pretty big black mark on the coaching staff given the players they've had to work with.

The players deserve a share of the blame, but it's hard to win in the playoffs against good teams when the coaching staff makes basically no adjustments and feeds ice time to less effective players. Their complete lack of a focus on discipline and unwillingness to clamp down on embellishment has particularly hurt the team. Again, the players deserve a big share of that blame but if the coaching staff wanted to prevent that stuff they could've.

Fair enough.

As an opposing fan I would want Garrison on the ice as much as possible but if he is taking Bieksa off I guess it would be a wash. Ideally a Garrison-Bieksa pairing would be awesome in my view.

I think it is about 90% Sisters fault and maybe 10% coaches fault in regards to the second paragraph but I understand wanting to protect the guys you still have on your team and try and take blame off them as much as possible.

[dissentowner]

I think the Canucks should hire Joe Sacco as their next head coach.

[Canada 02]

whether it is Vancouver or any other team, who are the top coaching candidates out there?

Ron Wilson, Brent Sutter, Guy Boucher, Paul Maurice, Tom Renney, Lindy Ruff, Larry Robinson, Dallas Eakins, Troy Ward. Some would be re-treads. Do they get another shot somewhere?

Heard Sylvain Lefebvre, Dean Chynoweth mentioned for Colorado, in addition to Patrick Roy

[Matty81]

Glad to see Gillis stay... one of the worst GMs out there in my opinion over the last stretch, his handling of the Luongo thing may have deep sixed their last real good chance at the cup with that group.

[opendoor]

Originally Posted by moon

Fair enough.

As an opposing fan I would want Garrison on the ice as much as possible but if he is taking Bieksa off I guess it would be a wash. Ideally a Garrison-Bieksa pairing would be awesome in my view.

You have no idea how good Garrison was this year. He and Hamhuis were one of the best 2 way pairings in the league. Bieksa couldn't hold a candle to him.

I think it is about 90% Sisters fault and maybe 10% coaches fault in regards to the second paragraph but I understand wanting to protect the guys you still have on your team and try and take blame off them as much as possible.

Not sure why the Sedins should get all the blame when it's the lack of depth scoring that has killed the team. Their line still produces over a goal per game in the post season just like the regular season while the depth scoring has dropped like a stone in each of the last few playoffs. They haven't been good enough, but they have little to do with the failings of the rest of the team (particularly the abysmal PK that has plagued the Canucks nearly every single playoffs).

[dash_pinched]

Don't forget Dave Tippett who may become available on July 1st if the Phoenix situation isn't resolved.

[Matty81]

Originally Posted by Canada 02

whether it is Vancouver or any other team, who are the top coaching candidates out there?

Ron Wilson, Brent Sutter, Guy Boucher, Paul Maurice, Tom Renney, Lindy Ruff, Larry Robinson, Dallas Eakins, Troy Ward.

Heard Sylvain Lefebvre, Dean Chynoweth mentioned for Colorado, in addition to Patrick Roy

Some would be re-treads. Do they get another shot somewhere?

I don't think they have the kind of group that will respond to a taskmaster like Sutter. Could see them poaching Ward from Abby but more likely they'll go with an older guy who can handle a veteran group and has a more mature/laid back personality. Heard they were in love with Arniel when he used to coach the Moose too for what it's worth.

IMO Ruff is the best guy out there, hope they don't get him.

[bubbsy]

my money is on tippet, ruff, or eakins.

[DuffMan]

Well, if it's true that the Canucks are just starting a downward slide the exact same as the Flames around 2006/07/08 or whatever, we can expect another 4 or 5 coaches in the next 6 or 7 years.

[Major Major]

Originally Posted by Canada 02

whether it is Vancouver or any other team, who are the top coaching candidates out there?

Ron Wilson, Brent Sutter, Guy Boucher, Paul Maurice, Tom Renney, Lindy Ruff, Larry Robinson, Dallas Eakins, Troy Ward. Some would be re-treads. Do they get another shot somewhere?

Heard Sylvain Lefebvre, Dean Chynoweth mentioned for Colorado, in addition to Patrick Roy

I am slightly terrified of Tippett going to Vancouver. Although his style of coaching seems to not quite fit that team's personnel. However, if he can get that roster to buy in, could be scary.

I would be pretty surprised if Vancouver went with a rookie coach. Seems like a fairly difficult group to coach. Large flamboyant egos combined with balsa wood backbones. I feel Ruff might be a pretty good choice for them. Eakins could be the one rookie coach that is able to kick enough ass to bring these guys into playoff contention.

All said, I would be surprised if any coach was able to make much of a difference to the general attitude towards hard playoff hockey of this team.

[moon]

Originally Posted by opendoor

You have no idea how good Garrison was this year. He and Hamhuis were one of the best 2 way pairings in the league. Bieksa couldn't hold a candle to him.

I watched him play this year (probably not as much as you) and he was a pylon for the most part. Not surprised Hamhuis was part of a good pairing though he was very good this year, much better than I thought he could be, and made up for Garrison when he could.

Not sure why the Sedins should get all the blame when it's the lack of depth scoring that has killed the team. Their line still produces over a goal per game in the post season just like the regular season while the depth scoring has dropped like a stone in each of the last few playoffs. They haven't been good enough, but they have little to do with the failings of the rest of the team (particularly the abysmal PK that has plagued the Canucks nearly every single playoffs).

They certainly should not get all, probably not most, of the blame they are just the easiest to mention as they are the supposed stars and haven't played well. But the lack of secondary scoring and the make-up of team by Gillis is certainly a major issue.

[Stay Golden]

Great could not stand that smug pratt AV. Hopefully he is out of the west entirely. Hire Ruff he is a sure bet to ruin VAN going forward. Wilson, Sacco or Playfair would all suit VAN perfectly.

[DionTheDman]

Greg Gilbert deserves another shot, don't you think, Gillis?

[moon]

Originally Posted by Canada 02

whether it is Vancouver or any other team, who are the top coaching candidates out there?

Ron Wilson, Brent Sutter, Guy Boucher, Paul Maurice, Tom Renney, Lindy Ruff, Larry Robinson, Dallas Eakins, Troy Ward. Some would be re-treads. Do they get another shot somewhere?

Heard Sylvain Lefebvre, Dean Chynoweth mentioned for Colorado, in addition to Patrick Roy

Troy Ward??

Not sure why outside of being the Flames AHL guy he would be considered anything close to a top candidate.

[dammage79]

Dollars to Donuts I bet Ruff is hired within two weeks.

[Jbo]

I think Brent Sutter needs a coaching gig. Seems about the right time as they are following the Flames spiral downwards.

[_Q_]

I want them to hire Brent Sutter.... their fan base deserves the pain and torture that we endured for the last 3 years.

[Buff]

Originally Posted by DionTheDman

Greg Gilbert deserves another shot, don't you think, Gillis?

Only if Don Hay is the associate coach.