Flames to announce plans to announce arena plans in the... future...

[Muta]

Originally Posted by jkstuart12

Qatar is hosting the World Cup in 2022. They're currently ranked 101st in the world. I think economic power has a much greater influence than soccer talent.

pwned.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Originally Posted by jkstuart12

Qatar is hosting the World Cup in 2022. They're currently ranked 101st in the world. I think economic power has a much greater influence than soccer talent.

No, I'm pretty sure bribery is still king for winning FIFA/IOC events. You could be ranked 200 in the world and have your economy in the toilet, but if you fill the right people's pockets its all good.

[Ozy_Flame]

Don't forget about South Africa was ranked 40th when they were picked.

By Mr. Coffee's logic, Mali would have been a better choice, even with the French and Mali army fighting Islamic militants for control of the contentious north. Mali is ranked 26th in the world.

But I'm sure Bamako is ready to host the World Cup. Let's just make sure we funnel UN and EU-founded emergency monies.

[_Q_]

When South Africa actually hosted the World Cup, they were ranked 83.... right around where Canada is ranked right now.

I think world ranking has little to do with where the world cup is hosted.

[Table 5]

Originally Posted by longsuffering

Maybe you're too young to remember but Calgary didn't build the facilities and then go out and bid for the Olympics. Calgary was awarded the Olympics and then built the facilities. As another posted stated, it's not a "build it and they will come" scenario.

I'm aware of that and wasn't implying anything of the sort. My post was in response to the notion that we could host another Olympics here because we already had the facilities. Most of our facilities are so outdated now, that it would be more or less like starting from scratch.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Don't forget about South Africa was ranked 40th when they were picked.

By Mr. Coffee's logic, Mali would have been a better choice, even with the French and Mali army fighting Islamic militants for control of the contentious north. Mali is ranked 26th in the world.

But I'm sure Bamako is ready to host the World Cup. Let's just make sure we funnel UN and EU-founded emergency monies.

Interesting. Could you tell me more how a person expressing an opinion that Canada would be unfit to host the World Cup due to one factor (world ranking) automatically constitutes an argument that all other factors are irrelevant? Several others managed to knock down his actual argument, but I congratulate you on beating the hell out of that strawman.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Table 5

I'm aware of that and wasn't implying anything of the sort. My post was in response to the notion that we could host another Olympics here because we already had the facilities. Most of our facilities are so outdated now, that it would be more or less like starting from scratch.

I don't think so, personally. The Saddledome and Oval are easily still suitable for Olympic competition. Nakiska and the Canmore Nordic Centre as well. Canada Olympic Park would need upgrades in some areas - notably the ski jump and probably the bobsled track. Other than that, the obvious need would be a secondary hockey/figure skating venue as Father David Bauer is small and the Corral was obsolete in 1988, let alone 2013.

I think both of you have points. We wouldn't be starting from scratch, but there would be plenty of work to do nonetheless.

[Wolven]

Originally Posted by Buff

When you say withing and outside the city, are you meaning the city core/center or city limits?

If it is outside the city then they should put it in Lethbridge so I can go to more games. I'd most def get season tickets if that were the case.

I really hope they avoid going outside of the city "core". Where the Dome is now is an ideal spot for an entertainment facility and building up that area would be a much wiser decision than risking making a Coyotes-esque mistake and building a new facility on the outter fringe of the city.

[GreatWhiteEbola]

Just off 17th and Stoney SE would be ideal.

For me.

[MolsonInBothHands]

LOL, the Flames could become parasites on the city of Calgary?

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by MolsonInBothHands

LOL, the Flames could become parasites on the city of Calgary?

No, Calgarians would become parasites in Rockyview County. Just as they are at Crossiron Mills.

[_Q_]

HERE THEY AAAAARRRREEE....... YOUR MUNICIPAL DISTRICT OF ROCKY VIEW NO. 44 FLAAAAAAAAMMMMMESSS!!!!

I want them to move to Balzac right now. That name is awesome!

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

Interesting. Could you tell me more how a person expressing an opinion that Canada would be unfit to host the World Cup due to one factor (world ranking) automatically constitutes an argument that all other factors are irrelevant? Several others managed to knock down his actual argument, but I congratulate you on beating the hell out of that strawman.

I was just making fun of the ranking argument. Lighten up, cowboy. I know you get butt hurt from everything I say, but just try to enjoy your Friday afternoon. It's a long weekend. Go camping in the rain or something.

[korzym12]

Originally Posted by _Q_

I don't think we should get that excited about the potential announcement in the next few days.

I can't see anything concrete being announced before the civic election. Otherwise it would become the central issue of the the mayoral race. Not sure if Nenshi would want to open up that can of worms at this point.

You're talking like Nenshi is Redford who barely managed to get more than majority of the votes.

Nenshi won with ONLY 39% - it's like you're admitting that this waste of taxpayer money has to quickly get approved before he gets voted out, because he's already developed a reputation as being a wasteful mayor.

The majority of Calgarians don't support Nenshi, and by a landslide. The sooner he's gone the better. As for the arena - it's part business deadlines and partially about creating media attention. Do you do it before or after the draft is the question?

[_Q_]

Originally Posted by korzym12

You're talking like Nenshi is Redford who barely managed to get more than majority of the votes.

Nenshi won with ONLY 39% - it's like you're admitting that this waste of taxpayer money has to quickly get approved before he gets voted out, because he's already developed a reputation as being a wasteful mayor.

The majority of Calgarians don't support Nenshi, and by a landslide. The sooner he's gone the better. As for the arena - it's part business deadlines and partially about creating media attention. Do you do it before or after the draft is the question?

Hahaha ok.

This isn't 2010 buddy.

[rayne008]

I see this brought up a a lot, and am not sure what the 39% argument relates to...

Most elections without an incumbent have results similar to that. -- Dave Bronconnier 28.3% 1st term, 81.5 2nd term, 61.5 3rd term.

[Major Major]

Originally Posted by korzym12

You're talking like Nenshi is Redford who barely managed to get more than majority of the votes.

Nenshi won with ONLY 39% - it's like you're admitting that this waste of taxpayer money has to quickly get approved before he gets voted out, because he's already developed a reputation as being a wasteful mayor.

The majority of Calgarians don't support Nenshi, and by a landslide. The sooner he's gone the better. As for the arena - it's part business deadlines and partially about creating media attention. Do you do it before or after the draft is the question?

Yay for baseless and sweeping claims that are directly refuted by empirical evidence!

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

This World Cup stuff has been quite the massive de-rail, so I have no choice but to contribute to it.

Canada hosting the World Cup would be ridiculous essentially on almost all fronts.

We're ranked 80th in the world, behind such powerhouses like Uzbekistan, Sierra Leone and Equitorial Guinea. I suppose the only reason we'd be a viable candidate is economic power and being a nice country, and I suppose it's probably the only way in hell Canada ever qualifies for World Cup anyway (I think we've qualified like once or twice in history and that largely is due to our soft pool, pretty sure we've never won a game at World Cup).

It would be sort of a slap in the face to the rest of the world that actually like, you know, cares about the sport (sorry to the few of you here that do...).

It'd sort of be like if the Dominican Republic was awarded the Winter Olympics.

Whether Canada's ranking in soccer plays a role or not, you are completely correct in saying all this World Cup talk has derailed the thread (and I'm not innocent in that). But the think any sort of Canadian World Cup bid is having any sort of serious impact on the Flames arena / multi sport facility plans is pretty ridiculous. Any funding or costs incurred on a long shot bid for the World Cup would be ridiculous by Flames management and government alike.

NHL hockey, concerts, CFL football and maybe a long term plan for some form of professional soccer are likely all that's being thought of at the most.

[Ozy_Flame]

Cleveland - if you're building a new arena / stadium, any rational business or investor would almost certainly try and build something that can handle one-off big events that would fill the seats. I think it would be unlikely that Flames management, using them as an example, are ignoring the grandiose opportunities to host major world-class events when planning for large public spaces, particularly sports. I think the World Cup example, although highly unlikely, is just the catch event for things like this. However, aiming for major world-class sporting events is not out of question at all.

[LIP MAN]

Ooo la la I wonder how many vehicles they can fit in the new concourse? In all seriousness, I hope they keep it on the grounds. Great to hear its staying DT, sorry Coventry Hills!