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Old 05-14-2013, 11:28 PM   #101
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Nice shot of the teleprompter.

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Old 05-14-2013, 11:30 PM   #102
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Nice shot of the teleprompter.

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it was closed captioning of the speech, not a teleprompter
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Big victory for negative campaigns today.

Not upset by that at all. Positive, sappy campaigns kind of make me want to puke. I love a good attack ad.
I don't think it had anything to do with that. I think the guy on CBC nailed it when he said Clark's personality won out.
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it was closed captioning of the speech, not a teleprompter
Really? I fail. I guess it was behind him.

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Old 05-14-2013, 11:35 PM   #105
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I don't think it had anything to do with that. I think the guy on CBC nailed it when he said Clark's personality won out.
I don't know. I think Clark has the personality of a fruitcake.

Really just two horrid leaders IMO.

I think the negative/positive campaign made a HUGE difference. The Liberals had a dozen years of fata ups and we heard barely a peep about it. The NDP had two decade old skeletons in the closet and we heard everything about it.
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I wonder if they'll draw any conclusions from this...
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I wonder if they'll draw any conclusions from this...
maybe after he meets with the caucus...
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Old 05-14-2013, 11:39 PM   #108
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I don't know. I think Clark has the personality of a fruitcake.

Really just two horrid leaders IMO.

I think the negative/positive campaign made a HUGE difference. The Liberals had a dozen years of fata ups and we heard barely a peep about it. The NDP had two decade old skeletons in the closet and we heard everything about it.
That's how I see it as well. The NDP basically did nothing and thought they could just coast to victory. So many legitimate criticisms of the Liberal government and Clark that could be leveled and I barely heard anything.

A couple of awful leaders and it's shameful that one of them had to end up Premier at the end of this.
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Old 05-14-2013, 11:48 PM   #109
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I thought the Alberta PC's were a bit more like Campbells Liberals than Clarke's

maybe not though
Maybe Klein's conservatives but Redford is pretty centrist.
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48% voter turnout could've been a pretty big factor tonight as well.
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so how many was it?
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He looks a little Stelmach-ish in that picture.
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Old 05-15-2013, 12:15 AM   #113
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Maybe Klein's conservatives but Redford is pretty centrist.
Clark is the same, very much a centrist. Governed a bit to the right of her personal inclinations strategically because of the rise of the Conservative party a couple years ago in order to try to win back that element of the party but has personal ties to the federal Liberal party for most of her life.

The BC Liberal party is a huge tent though, as previously mentioned includes both federal liberals and conservatives, not affiliated with either federally. The Conservative faction did the we'll take our ball and go home act after Clark won the leadership and fled to the new BC Conservative party but eventually came back minus a few of their leaders for whom the schism with Clark was too great.

It's always an uneasy coalition because it includes everything from your moderate federal liberal types to a few of your tinfoil hat wildrose equivalents who can't bear to be completely excluded from power. The groups in the party can't win power unless they work together but they are pretty different except their dislike of the NDP.

What has held them together in my opinion is that BC is a very non-religious province relative to the rest of Canada so the difference is mainly fiscal. Socially there's very little appetite for religion or prohibitive social policy in politics in BC from any party.
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What an astonishing result.

I have to think this was a combination of voter apathy and vote splitting, and just flat-out outdated polling methods. I don't think the campaigns or leaders account for as much as the analysts would suggest: a swing like this has to be due to some larger systemic factor.

Amazing to think a government with the Liberals' record could not only win but win bigger. BC is so w acky.
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What an astonishing result.

I have to think this was a combination of voter apathy and vote splitting, and just flat-out outdated polling methods. I don't think the campaigns or leaders account for as much as the analysts would suggest: a swing like this has to be due to some larger systemic factor.

Amazing to think a government with the Liberals' record could not only win but win bigger. BC is so w acky.
I think you can add a fear of the NDP's economic platform in a time when B.C. has an unstable economy.

Dix thought he would win no matter what he presented and he got gassed on that.
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I think you can add a fear of the NDP's economic platform in a time when B.C. has an unstable economy.

Dix thought he would win no matter what he presented and he got gassed on that.
I don't know. This is the province that willingly cut off its own nose on the HST issue. I'm amazed they refrained for delivering further punishment to a government that deserved nothing better.

That said, I think the NDP need to re-brand with a new leader - preferably a party outsider. BC needs an alternative they're willing to vote for. Otherwise they're just a more corrupt Alberta.
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Ya total prevent campaign. Really no major items that stood out from a campaign promise perspective. I was really expecting a provincial daycare program or at least one major flagship item from the NDP but they tried to be quiet and just not get people worked up, pretty lacklustre campaign that failed to even motivate their historic base... their poular vote was actually even down from last election last time I looked.

To be fair it seemed to have worked to just about everybody. Definately personally will not put much stock in polling for a long time.
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Old 05-15-2013, 01:19 AM   #118
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That came out of left field. Even with a sub-par candidate and a lackluster campaign I was certain the NDP would win this election, but I assumed (as did most people thanks to the polls and pundits) that the province was ready for some sort of change. Apparently not.

I wonder what the results would have been if more than just 48% or so of the population had bothered to vote, particularly in demographic I am in.
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Looks like Clark couldn't even win her own seat. I guess she'll have to be parachuted into a safe riding for the 2nd time in 2 years.

It's pretty hilarious that the NDP lost ground on a battered Liberal party with a leader who can't even get her own constituents to give her a mandate.
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Doesn't it suck having literally no options? We just did it in Alberta, its not fun. Kudos to Christy though, can't even win her own seat yet still gets to be Premier. I'd also image polling companies should perhaps adjust their methodology, or they need a serious lesson from Nate Silver.
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