Because when gamblers have a guy like him by the balls, which they did, how do you think they get their money back? "Hey Tim, make a few calls, make sure we get a cover, or your legs are ours". That would be how. Plus Game 6, 2002 Western Conference Finals, the undispituted masterpiece of referee manipulation.
Yes but again that is one ref (or a couple in 2002) with a mental issue fixing the game not David Stern making a phone call to Donaghy and his crew to see game 7.
I'm just saying that the NHL (or NBA in that case) had about as much to do with the calls that night as any other game played throughout the year. There is no "win" for any professional sports league to cheat. This is why leagues that get caught last less than 10 seasons.
And that even goes for "it was in" conspiracies. As a fan I would rather think my team was cheated out of winning instead of just beat. Just like the Flames, Washington had another game to win the series but they didn't. You don't think in the last decade something would have come out about that? How long did it take them to catch on to Donaghy, or even Pete Rose in the 80's?
As a business I understand why certain sports want certain teams playing but I don't think risk the history and future of their billion dollar business for it because I believe no matter who wins what series the money will continue to grow for them.
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Not at all, as I've said, I would rather start with LA over any of the other WC playoff teams. Bunch of underachievers who look good on paper but don't even deserve to be in the playoffs.
Because when gamblers have a guy like him by the balls, which they did, how do you think they get their money back? "Hey Tim, make a few calls, make sure we get a cover, or your legs are ours". That would be how. Plus Game 6, 2002 Western Conference Finals, the undispituted masterpiece of referee manipulation.
A corrupt ref =/= NBA fixing games
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The difference is huge, but also irrelevant, because the point of bringing in RSL is that just because some series in the league — any league — are short, it doesn't mean that others are not rigged. This alone, of course, does not prove that Game 6 with Rangers was fixed. In fact, I have no idea, nevermind evidence, if it was. All I was doing is proving that the argument "they let Sharks sweep Canucks in 4 games, so Caps series was clean for sure" is logically flawed.
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So livid, Stern would barely even look at Hunter when Hunter handed him the microphone. And soon, Stern started reciting his résumé, his decades of labor fights and legal battles in the NBA. Here’s how much the NBA was worth and here’s where I’ve brought it, he said. Everyone could see the anger rising within him, but no one expected the words that tumbled out of his mouth.
Stern told the room he knows where “the bodies are buried” in the NBA, witnesses recounted, because he had buried some of them himself.
David Stern has always made clear the NBA is a business. He knows whats good for business, and thats not having the Indiana's of the world playing the Memphis's of the world. Again the NBA does not FIX games outright, that's impossible. They simply manipulate the circumstances to favor the teams (i.e. Knicks, Lakers, Celtics etc) that Stern wants to see in the Finals (like his dream of a Lakers-Lakers final). If people wanna believe the NBA is totally legit, I guess there are people who believe Santa is real too. Thing is, those people are mostly 12 and under.
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I believe the game is called differently for different players but that is true in almost any sport. The problem with the NBA is there are more infractions called throughout a game compared to other sports. You see the same thing with pitchers in the MLB and quarterbacks in the NFL.
And because fouls in the NBA is similar to holding in the NFL where it can be called every play you have different refs seeing different things, you have refs giving star players more calls, etc. It's human nature (error) and sports.
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Not at all, as I've said, I would rather start with LA over any of the other WC playoff teams. Bunch of underachievers who look good on paper but don't even deserve to be in the playoffs.
Serious?
Reporters get in hot water all the time from their employer..
Perhaps "fine" was the wrong word however disciplinary action can be taken.
Yes, Serious. You said 'fine' in your post, so I responded with that. You never said anything about disciplinary action. I would wager the Russian news outlets probably don't care if they piss off the NHL with misinterpreted quotes. They probably would welcome a NHL/AO pissing match to bring him back to Russia quicker.
It takes more balls to make a statement like Ovy did knowing your going to get slapped for it rather them do like 99% of players do and say nothing. Rangers 19 penalties WSH 34.
To put into perspective the Rangers had less penalties for their clutching and grabbing style as VAN did in a sweep.
Hell even the annual least penalized team in the NHL the Red Wings had 28.
The Rangers also had the most 5 on 3 PP time of all playoff teams meanwhile WSH had Zero time.
From what our house watched of the NY vs Caps series the Rangers seemed to be getting away with quite a bit of interference pick plays, hooking and holding especially.
It takes more balls to make a statement like Ovy did knowing your going to get slapped for it rather them do like 99% of players do and say nothing. Rangers 19 penalties WSH 34.
To put into perspective the Rangers had less penalties for their clutching and grabbing style as VAN did in a sweep.
Hell even the annual least penalized team in the NHL the Red Wings had 28.
The Rangers also had the most 5 on 3 PP time of all playoff teams meanwhile WSH had Zero time.
From what our house watched of the NY vs Caps series the Rangers seemed to be getting away with quite a bit of interference pick plays, hooking and holding especially.
That's great, I'd also like to add the Ovechkin should have been watching most of game 7 from the locker room after that hit square into McDonagh's numbers.
The Caps were undisciplined. The penalties reflect that.
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That's great, I'd also like to add the Ovechkin should have been watching most of game 7 from the locker room after that hit square into McDonagh's numbers.
The Caps were undisciplined. The penalties reflect that.
That was a brutal hit and the result.
NY vs Boston the officiating will be under a microscope.
Ovie played like a punk last night there were a few of his "Thundering" hits that were pretty blatant charges and at least one might in between the numbers of a Ranger.
for the past couple of years he's become a shadow of himself, a lazy floater, he had a nice come back this year, but in a shortened season you can make things up in a hurry.
Basically winners find a way, losers b1tch and complain and make excuses.
The guy turns it on and off as he pleases, he doesn't care about the Capitals playoff success.
the debate used to be Sid versus Alex, there's no debate anymore, one gives a crap, one pouts and floats around when he doesn't have the puck.
The Capitals could probably get a lot from getting rid of this guy and a couple of others and retool in a hurry.
Way too many passengers on the top two lines in Washington.
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It doesn't take an HBO special to know what was Tortorella was saying before the game, on the bench and during intermission: DON'T TAKE A PENALTY. The Caps are a PP specialist team. When you're operating at 26.8% on the PP any team with a half-competent coach is going to make damn sure his players know not to risk taking a penalty.
It doesn't take an HBO special to know what was Tortorella was saying before the game, on the bench and during intermission: DON'T TAKE A PENALTY. The Caps are a PP specialist team. When you're operating at 26.8% on the PP any team with a half-competent coach is going to make damn sure his players know not to risk taking a penalty.
Oh right because Torterella is the only coach in the NHL that tells his team not to take penalties. Whereas I'm Oates was on the Caps bench saying "hook, hold do whatever you want". What a ridiculous post.
You could clearly see the Rangers getting away with a lot of stuff for example the Callahan elbow to Oleksy's head away from the puck. That sounds exactly like something the "most disciplined team in the league" would do right?
Also Backstrom seems to be getting a free ride for this, did he even have a shot in this series? Ovechkin was miles ahead of him in this series.
What a lazy defensive player Ovechkin is. Look at how he floats around centre ice in this video
I don't think the NHL is rigged, but I do think that if a team is losing, a lot of the time, they are given powerplays that aren't merited to keep the games interesting. Especially in the playoffs.
If a team has a huge lead, I've noticed they don't get powerplays anymore at times as well.
