05-14-2013, 08:57 AM
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Originally Posted by TorqueDog
I agree with pretty well everything you just posted, but...... eh? Back in the 80s, Honda and Toyota powertrains/drivetrains were just fine, interiors were nothing to write home about, but the bodywork on those damn things used to deteriorate like nothing else.
You're thinking 90s/early-2000s.
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I have always figured that true superiority started somewhere in around 1986 - 1987. To me this was the car that thrust the Japanese to the front of the pack:
After the 86 Accord the competition got fierce between the Japanese. At the time, there simply wasn't a car that could compete dollar for dollar.
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05-14-2013, 09:36 AM
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Originally Posted by pylon
After the 86 Accord the competition got fierce between the Japanese. At the time, there simply wasn't a car that could compete dollar for dollar.
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That and those Ceilicas, Preludes and Civics helped propel Honda and Toyota to where they are today. The Big 3 simply couldn't match those Japanese peppy engines of the late 80s and early 90s. And then the luxury brands of Infiniti, Lexus and Acura came out to further distance the Japanes from the Big 3.
I was driving a POS Hyundai and could only envy people driving good ricers back then in my uni days. And I said once I started making real money, I would get a fully loaded Accord. But a high $30K to almost $40K fully loaded Accord is insane, the Canadian Honda dealers are still living in the past when there was no competition. Not to say the same Accord costs only $32-$33K in the US.
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05-14-2013, 09:54 AM
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Originally Posted by pylon
I have always figured that true superiority started somewhere in around 1986 - 1987. To me this was the car that thrust the Japanese to the front of the pack:
After the 86 Accord the competition got fierce between the Japanese. At the time, there simply wasn't a car that could compete dollar for dollar.
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This reminds me of my first car. I still miss it to this day. An 89 Integra.
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05-14-2013, 12:51 PM
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Franchise Player
Join Date: May 2009
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Originally Posted by pylon
If you really want to play this game we can. ... Your snobbery, is silly...
I LOVE German cars. But they suck when it comes to maintenance, simplicity, and reliability. Weird for the sake of being weird. You buy a German car knowing it is going to cost you more to keep going than anything else. You have to accept it, and budget for it....
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I apologize if it came across as snobbery, it wasn't meant to be so. I was simply trying to give some context for my comments, I wasn't trying to be rude or insulting, but I was rather abrupt. I should never have responded to the troll with whom I got into it, that was petty and immature...
My last two rentals were a Mustang convertible (Vegas has a billion of them I swear), it was a shaking mess but it made fun noises in a straight line, the one prior was a 2013 Jetta...definitely a rental special, decontented to hell and back...it was weird, no cruise control but it had heated cloth seats...and the CVT/engine combination was not well chosen. But, the suspension was really nice and it was well built.
I had a 83 320i for a while, cost me a fortune to own...
I almost bought a Mercedes when I bought the Lexus. I could afford to buy either but I didn't want to pay the upkeep on the Mercedes, the 335 x-drive had a divine suspension and powertrain but I didn't like the plastics and the interior was like a tomb, so it was out. Didn't drive an Infiniti because I find Nissans loud and rough. I drove an Acura but the TL is weird looking to me, and I thought it was too big.
Then there was the Triumph...if you like working on electrical systems I encourage you to buy one...
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05-14-2013, 12:54 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by pylon
I have always figured that true superiority started somewhere in around 1986 - 1987. To me this was the car that thrust the Japanese to the front of the pack:
After the 86 Accord the competition got fierce between the Japanese. At the time, there simply wasn't a car that could compete dollar for dollar. |
I had one of these:
crazy fun and it ran like a swiss watch
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05-14-2013, 12:58 PM
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Originally Posted by -TC-
...the one prior was a 2013 Jetta...definitely a rental special, decontented to hell and back...it was weird, no cruise control but it had heated cloth seats...and the CVT/engine combination was not well chosen. But, the suspension was really nice and it was well built.
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Probably a Trendline, that's the one advertised at $14,990 + Freight and PDI. But it doesn't have a CVT..?
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05-14-2013, 01:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Sopure
Probably a Trendline, that's the one advertised at $14,990 + Freight and PDI. But it doesn't have a CVT..?
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this one did, I don't know what model it was (probably a fleet special, I don't think they sell something that decontented on the lot) but it was impossible to drive at a consistent speed on the freeway and it felt like it was constantly hunting for a rev that it couldn't find.
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05-14-2013, 01:12 PM
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Lifetime Suspension
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Originally Posted by -TC-
this one did, I don't know what model it was (probably a fleet special, I don't think they sell something that decontented on the lot) but it was impossible to drive at a consistent speed on the freeway and it felt like it was constantly hunting for a rev that it couldn't find.
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VW has never offered a CVT transmission in a North American Jetta, ever.
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05-14-2013, 01:39 PM
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Join Date: May 2009
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Originally Posted by pylon
VW has never offered a CVT transmission in a North American Jetta, ever.
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It sure behaved like one
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05-14-2013, 09:26 PM
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Lifetime Suspension
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Originally Posted by -TC-
It sure behaved like one
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Maybe you got it confused with a go-kart.
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05-14-2013, 10:49 PM
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Originally Posted by seoulfire
maybe you got it confused with a go-kart.
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05-15-2013, 03:08 PM
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Ughh..All this car talk has mean itching to buy the new Focus ST. 0% financing for 72 months.
http://www.ford.ca/cars/focus/trim/?trim=st5door
Currently driving a Toyota Matrix and the lease is up in a few months....man is it boring to drive, but with 25,000 KMs on it after 4 years, it'll probably last me forever, and is oh so cheap.
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05-15-2013, 07:28 PM
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Join Date: Dec 2003
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It may not be a selling point in the future to make cars that are fun to drive. The insurance companies are pushing monitoring devices to lower your insurance rates. Seemingly innocuous at first, as more people buy in to this invasion of privacy, I can see it becoming mandatory unless you want to pay through the roof.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/25/bu...ices.html?_r=0
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