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snipetype · 05-09-2013, 04:35 PM

that said trade all three first rounders for mackinon and i have tears of joy

3 Justin 3 · 05-09-2013, 04:47 PM

Apart from StrykerSteve seemingly stocking MacKinnon thinking he is the best player since Wayne Gretzkey, I find it awkward how badly Stryker wants him on our team.

He is not generational talent.

McDavid is better than MacKinnon is right now and he is 2 years younger.

The Yen Man · 05-09-2013, 04:47 PM

Keeping Iggy and Jaybo would have probably ensured the Flames finished bottom 3. So in a way, we still sort of break even if we somehow are able to trade the 3 first rounders for a top 3 pick.

Hockey_Ninja · 05-09-2013, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by 3 Justin 3

Apart from StrykerSteve seemingly stocking MacKinnon thinking he is the best player since Wayne Gretzkey, I find it awkward how badly Stryker wants him on our team.

He is not generational talent.

McDavid is better than MacKinnon is right now and he is 2 years younger.

Not to mention his obsession with Couturier. I bet that Lindholm and Monahan will turn into better players than him.

StrykerSteve · 05-09-2013, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by 3 Justin 3

Apart from StrykerSteve seemingly stocking MacKinnon thinking he is the best player since Wayne Gretzkey, I find it awkward how badly Stryker wants him on our team.

He is not generational talent.

McDavid is better than MacKinnon is right now and he is 2 years younger.

Nothing diabolical at play here, have just been following his trajectory for a long time, and am very confident that he will excel in the NHL. We haven't had a player with this sort of potential on the Flames' roster in a very long time, it saddens me to know that there are people on here too young to even remember what it's like to have an all-star Center on the Flames.

I remember what it was like to Joe Nieuwendyk, Doug Gilmour and Robert Reichel as our top 3 Centers and I miss that feeling.

StrykerSteve · 05-09-2013, 04:59 PM

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Not to mention his obsession with Couturier. I bet that Lindholm and Monahan will turn into better players than him.

Watching Couturier handle Malkin in last year's playoffs cemented that obsession. He was crazy good in that series. Small sample size, but damn if I didn't come away really impressed.

FlameZilla · 05-09-2013, 05:05 PM

Mackinnon, Barkov, Lindholm & Monahan are all kosher to me. I'd be happy with any of the 3. Not too much point in moving up unless we're offered a very good deal.

mustache ride · 05-09-2013, 05:06 PM

MacKinnon will be the most important player from this draft. I would give Florida or TB whatever they wanted.But short of the next couple of First rounders we have nothing they want or don't already have. Our prospect base is a joke and realistically could be wiped out and restocked in two years.
Really, what's Sven's ceiling? Tanguay maybe. That would be a pretty good career. But i still take a number one center over that.

OzSome · 05-09-2013, 05:16 PM

I just don't understand some people proposing to trade Sven Baertschi or even TJ Brodie along the Flames 1st pick and St. Louis pick for a chance to get an unproven Nathan McKinnon. The Flames invested a few seasons already and they will just trade him? TJ Brodie is the same thing, they invested some time on him already and the kid is still young and improving. Both guys are the future of the Flames and you don't trade your good futures. I wouldn't even include Max Reinhart on that trade. If I would include a young prospect, i will even have a hard time adding Roman Horak's name on the potential trade. Yes McKinnon is good in junior but there's a possibility that he might be the next Alexander Daigle or Brian Lawton (both a bust) or he could turn out to be an Eric Staal or other successful early first rounder. Don't get me wrong, i would love for the Flames to get a shot on picking McKinnon but they can't, there are other young centre they can pick when their name gets called.

JiriHrdina · 05-09-2013, 05:19 PM

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It's not like anyone was calling him a bust. There are lots of young skilled players in his situation that may not be able to cut it or become top players. There is a guy like Sven in most organizations and we tend to overvalue him here because the Flames have been bottom 5 in the league for years now when and haven't even had an abover average forward come through the ranks (Backlund is maybe getting close) so when a slick forward comes through the ranks we are smitten with him. The injuries are a concern and how easily he was knocked around at times. I'm not giving up on him but if you think the league is salivating over this guy you would be dead wrong as he's not a AAA prospect.

Agree to disagree.

But I believe Sven is a top 10 prospect in the league - meaning that at most 1/3rd of the league has a guy like him.

I don't think I tend to over-value prospects - but I've been a fan of Sven pre-draft (if you go back and check I said he was the guy the Flames should pick).

And yes I think the rest of the league is salivating over him. He instantly would become the #1 prospect in most organizations.

Time will tell I suppose, but I predict he will be an all-star in the league.

Pierre "Monster" McGuire · 05-09-2013, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by mustache ride

MacKinnon will be the most important player from this draft. I would give Florida or TB whatever they wanted.But short of the next couple of First rounders we have nothing they want or don't already have. Our prospect base is a joke and realistically could be wiped out and restocked in two years.
Really, what's Sven's ceiling? Tanguay maybe. That would be a pretty good career. But i still take a number one center over that.

You can't put an artificial ceiling on a guy like Sven. Forget his skill for a minute (which is evident), you can't find a prospect that is more driven, dedicated and has a greater love of the game than him in the entire league. There's not one. I'd prefer to keep a player like that even if it meant getting into the top 3.

Ashasx · 05-09-2013, 05:31 PM

We aren't a bottom 5 prospect pool anymore. Even HF has us at 20, and we'll probably be pushing the top half after this draft, if not top 10.

mustache ride · 05-09-2013, 05:44 PM

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you can't find a prospect that is more driven, dedicated and has a greater love of the game than him in the entire league. There's not one. I'd prefer to keep a player like that even if it meant getting into the top 3.

Those are all buzz words. They dont mean anything. Just like post apex and intellectual honesty, all they amount to is nonsense. They dont win faceoffs, they dont chip the puck off the glass to relieve pressure and they dont score big goals. I think Sven is going to be a good player, but i think Mackinnon is going to be better and if i was building from the ground up, then i build down the middle and not from the wings or the back end.

dammage79 · 05-09-2013, 05:49 PM

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Those are all buzz words. They dont mean anything. Just like post apex and intellectual honesty, all they amount to is nonsense. They dont win faceoffs, they dont chip the puck off the glass to relieve pressure and they dont score big goals. I think Sven is going to be a good player, but i think Mackinnon is going to be better and if i was building from the ground up, then i build down the middle and not from the wings or the back end.

So when he stays on the ice after everyone else has left practice to work on those little things like chipping it off the glass or working on his shot or stickhanlding, does that mean nothing as well? Haven't heard of many players doing this. His actions are bigger tells than these buzzwords you speak of.

Phanuthier · 05-09-2013, 05:53 PM

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So when he stays on the ice after everyone else has left practice to work on those little things like chipping it off the glass or working on his shot or stickhanlding, does that mean nothing as well? Haven't heard of many players doing this. His actions are bigger tells than these buzzwords you speak of.

Really?

mustache ride · 05-09-2013, 05:56 PM

Nonsense is all. I assume Sven has worked incredibly hard to get where he is. But so has ever other player in the NHL. No one gets there on talent alone

Geeoff · 05-09-2013, 06:12 PM

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Take the 3 picks and draft Center heavy.

I personally think we should take the BPA and not worry about position, since we are bad at every position.

Pierre "Monster" McGuire · 05-09-2013, 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by mustache ride

Those are all buzz words. They dont mean anything. Just like post apex and intellectual honesty, all they amount to is nonsense. They dont win faceoffs, they dont chip the puck off the glass to relieve pressure and they dont score big goals. I think Sven is going to be a good player, but i think Mackinnon is going to be better and if i was building from the ground up, then i build down the middle and not from the wings or the back end.

They're not buzzwords, they're intangibles. They're what Joe Colborne doesn't have. They're what Kirill Kabanov doesn't have. They're what so many prospects don't have.

It's really what makes players better. He's the first on the ice, last off it. He's always chatting with the coaches and he makes practices better for his teammates because he's always joking and goofing around with them. He glues teammates together. All you have to do is go back and read some of the articles from when he got sent down to when he got brought back up. He's ridiculously dedicated to his trade.

Sven could become a better player than MacKinnon for all we know. He's only 20 and was on pace for a 40+ point season. I'd rather hang on to him for now.

Pierre "Monster" McGuire · 05-09-2013, 06:19 PM

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I personally think we should take the BPA and not worry about position, since we are bad at every position.

I'd argue we're pretty healthy at the LW position prospect-wise with Sven and Gaudreau headlining that position.

Hockey_Ninja · 05-09-2013, 06:19 PM

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I personally think we should take the BPA and not worry about position, since we are bad at every position.

We are weakest at C RW and D. We've added a lot of goaltender depth with McDonald, Berra, Ramo, Brossoit and Orito and our top 2 prospects (Baertschi and Gaudreau) are LW's. Not to mention we have Cammalleri, Tanguay, Hudler and Glencross who are all naturally LW's. We HAVE to take a center with the 6th pick.